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In what way does the franchise fall apart without him? As far as I can tell, he is not important at all, although like I've said, I don't remember much of this stuff. He is just a dude who got out of the Matrix.

[EDIT] Also, I'm not sure what connection this has to chaos theory. I don't think that the idea of chaos theory is that removing one piece of something causes the entirety to collapse. It's about things happening in a way that is systematic and yet unpredictable at the same time.

The whole Plot scenario happened 5 times before the movies happened.

zombyrus wrote:From what I understand, Murakami himself had something of a cultural conflict. If memory serves, he did most of his writing in America despite being from Japan. It was rumored that even when he wrote books in Japanese, he actually wrote them in English first and then translated them to Japanese. I don't know if that's true at all, but it's kinda significant for him to be more at home with English than with Japanese. Ordinarily one learns one's native language in a way that no amount of foreign-language education can replicate; the best someone can do in a foreign language is usually thought of as "near-native fluency."

Well, that is true, but it really happens. After all, natives don't know everything either. There are always expressions dying and new ones being spawned. I feel completely at home in English (hell, I think in English, often) and I dare say I can write in it better than in Finnish. That is, it sounds better than my Finnish texts. I also know of a Finnish writer who has written his novels in English first and they were published in English.

Okay...open the link below to a YouTube video and turn on the close captioning to understand what I mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKpFFD7aX3c
Take away everything from the Matrix Trilogy, look at the "Cause" and "Effect". If the Reoccurring bald kid was not in the film series, the whole series was pointless. Thus...it just endlessly loop.

Anteroinen wrote:Well, that is true, but it really happens. After all, natives don't know everything either. There are always expressions dying and new ones being spawned. I feel completely at home in English (hell, I think in English, often) and I dare say I can write in it better than in Finnish. That is, it sounds better than my Finnish texts. I also know of a Finnish writer who has written his novels in English first and they were published in English.

I certainly don't mean to say that it's strange for someone to write out of their native language, but if Murakami was writing something that he intended to publish primarily in Japanese, his native language, it seems just a bit odd for him to have actually written it in a different language. If he were writing a book for English publication, it would make immediate sense for him to write it in English or to write it in Japanese and translate it from there, but the other way around has just a bit of oddness to it.

WIQ wrote:Okay...open the link below to a YouTube video and turn on the close captioning to understand what I mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKpFFD7aX3c
Take away everything from the Matrix Trilogy, look at the "Cause" and "Effect". If the Reoccurring bald kid was not in the film series, the whole series was pointless. Thus...it just endlessly loop.

I understand the statement that the story we see is the 6th time it happened. I have no idea what that has to do with the bald kid. Whatever point you're trying to make isn't getting across to me; all I'm getting is disconnected fragments of Matrix lore and the insistence that this kid who remains more or less meaningless to me is the most important thing in all of it.

Again...this is not MYdrawing. It was one of the Covers.

Cover of Warrior#19, highlighting the comic's conflict between anarchist and fascist philosophies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta

Now....do tell me: does anyone Know Guy Fawkes?
I mean...did they actually meet him?
Not...exactly possible. Since he been dead around 1605.

But...

Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!

zombyrus wrote:

Anteroinen wrote:Well, that is true, but it really happens. After all, natives don't know everything either. There are always expressions dying and new ones being spawned. I feel completely at home in English (hell, I think in English, often) and I dare say I can write in it better than in Finnish. That is, it sounds better than my Finnish texts. I also know of a Finnish writer who has written his novels in English first and they were published in English.

I certainly don't mean to say that it's strange for someone to write out of their native language, but if Murakami was writing something that he intended to publish primarily in Japanese, his native language, it seems just a bit odd for him to have actually written it in a different language. If he were writing a book for English publication, it would make immediate sense for him to write it in English or to write it in Japanese and translate it from there, but the other way around has just a bit of oddness to it.

WIQ wrote:Okay...open the link below to a YouTube video and turn on the close captioning to understand what I mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKpFFD7aX3c
Take away everything from the Matrix Trilogy, look at the "Cause" and "Effect". If the Reoccurring bald kid was not in the film series, the whole series was pointless. Thus...it just endlessly loop.

I understand the statement that the story we see is the 6th time it happened. I have no idea what that has to do with the bald kid. Whatever point you're trying to make isn't getting across to me; all I'm getting is disconnected fragments of Matrix lore and the insistence that this kid who remains more or less meaningless to me is the most important thing in all of it.

Chaos theory....you have to find the "Keystone" in order to prove the whole thing 'Falls" apart. And...it was not Neo, it was not Trinity, and it was not Agent Smith, or Morpheus. Nor Zion, or THE Matrix.

It...was the bald kid.
And...he did make "His choice". It just "Happened" between The Matrix and the Matrix Revolution. And...the title of the last film, it just so happened to be "The Matrix: Re-Uploaded."

Okay...I was not making any sense. As Usual.
But...the "Bald" kid. He is the Keystone.
His "Animated" story took place between the 1st and 2nd Matrix Film.

Morpheus, in the second film as he was talking to his superiors, he said and I quote:

WE have freed more MINDS in the past SIX months, than in the past SIX YEARS!

I'm not seeing what makes the bald kid the keystone of any of this, though. Why would anything fall apart without him? In what way is he not just another person who escaped the matrix?

Also this is not at all how I understood chaos theory. I'm no expert on the matter or anything, but I thought the basic idea of it was that slightly different starting conditions can result in wildly divergent results. I don't think we have the information to make the claim that the bald dude is the significant change in starting conditions rather than the significant change in the end result like everyone else.