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WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Been awhile but I finally figure out why Submachine 8 is called The Plan. In the wiki page for Submachine 8 before it was release at the bottem of the page ask "Why is it that all the other Submachine titles has the name of the location but submachine 8 is called the Plan" as in not a location

It just hit me that the definition of The Plan means BLUEPRNT or LAYOUT. The Plan means the layout of the Submachine world. In Submachine 8 it finally tells us the whole layout of the Submachine world, or just in general. Let take all of those maps of each layer posted on the submachine 8 wiki page . Now if I took layer One (the opening of Sub 8) and added all the preveus games layout attach to it (Sub 0-7, FLF, SNEE, 32) they are all in the same layer as layer one. think of it as a layout blueprint of a floor in a skyscraper.

Now imagine I were to the layout of the other floors and all there location inside the building below me under the layout of the floor I am on; like the layer beyond what we see in Sub 8. Now I lay each layer from 1-8 from Sub 8 on top of each other and each where inline with each other. Now take the loaction of each layer from Submachine 8 so that they are on top of each other and I take a needle and poke a hole in that each layer in coresponding the other layer allowing each other layer access to the other. Like the stiar in that builidng; the function of the stair is a form of a connection just like the beamers.

That what the plan is. Remember the note in Sub 7 on the Red Chair next to the Green Portal. It said "The plan is lost" what he dosn't mean is the prepair next steps have failed, but the Submachine is Falling apart from Murtaght Karma Portal. Each time he makes a Karma Portalits (a needle with thread attach) and I poke a hole in a page of one layer where there is nothing but the Black Void in the Layer corresponding to it so I can then move the needle up again in another part of the layer I am in; thus making a connection from the string into crossing into another part of that same layer. But as result in a metaforical saying "He is punching holes in the boat and its filling with water thus resulting in the sinkage of that boat."

Similar to when that Mass Acceleartor in Europe where before it was to be turn on; some people protested that in theroy if they turn it on it might create a Black Hole on the surface of the earth and therefor destroing the earth. Just like the Karma Portals are creating Black Hole in the Submachine and is slowly destroining it.

That is what the Plan is.

The World of the Submachine is in a BLACK HOLE.

Not at the other end of a Black Hole but right in the middle of it. More precisely in the funnel if you will that connects our side to whatever the other end holds. When I was thinking about the background of the game is a Black Void while thinking about our theories it hit me that the Black Void is not a Black Void but a Black Hole.

Lets say sometime in our future discovers a way to create an stable structural existence inside a Black hole. We discover it by some ancient part of civilization found out about; Like in the new movie the Prometheus. The Core and other parts of the Submachine game reference early civilization creating or discovering the Submachine world.

Remember someone said that the world of the Submachine is exists in a reality below the reality we are in. Say someone built a machine that does just that, but put it into the Black Hole to create a Sub-reality so the solid structure we use can put into a Black Hole in a stable way, so its not crush under the huge weight from the gravity created from the Black Hole.

Then what happen stated by someone who I cannot remember for the life of me theorize that someone created a Submachine like I said but then it grew into more places one its own. The Mutations I think they describe.

Remember in layer 2 in Submachine 8 there was that Sun and the Stars. That could be seen from the structure from the Black Hole (the roof a building). Plus it would explain why in Submachine 2 the game took place in a Lighthouse; They need light. Scientist theorize that why a Black Hole inside and the outside surrounding area is pitch black, it is because light cannot escape the sheer high gravity created by the Black Hole. same reason you used a flashlight in dark cave. The Lighthouse was a earlier sources of light for the explores to search the Submachine Mutation.

Remember how Murtaugh stated that he was going to be in the Light House for a while to greater enhances or explore his Karma Arm create ability. The Lighthouse location make sense because with its scores of light can illuminate several layers despite the layers boarders. That is what Murtaugh Karma Arm Function: to penetrate other layers in order to get into another area of a layer that he couldn't go through the usual way because his path was block.

Same principle with the Navigator. We move to another layer to get around an obstacle in the layer we are moving through

I know why Liz and the other possible existing scientist ran away from Murtaught in the direction they did. Like in comparison to the Submachine World destabilizing to where the metaphorical building is on fire: you can run to a certain exit, in general, through the ground floor. The end of Submachine 8 when we click on the area behind the open gate, then the building around us changes, that is the Eight Layer: the ground floor if you will. But like a building you can exit from the roof which in comparison to the Black Hole the Submachine is in. It is the other end of the Black Hole which they don't know where is lead. The Outer Rim you could say.

As we play through the game towards progression from Submachine 1 to 8 is similar to trying to get to the stair in a building that is on the other side of the eight floor you are on. Then progression from the stairs take you to the eight floor to the ground floor. Submachine 8 is the progression from the eight floor to the ground floor. The title of Submachine 10 The Exit mean getting to the one end of the Black Hole to where it lands us in our Universe.

Here how I theories that the stability can be created in a Black Hole. If you dfidn't read my second threory closly you would have seen this:

Remember someone said that the world of the Submachine is exists in a reality below the reality we are in. Say someone built a machine that does just that, but put it into the Black Hole to create a Sub-reality so the solid structure we use can put into a Black Hole in a stable way, so its not crush under the huge weight from the gravity created from the Black Hole.

That would help the consept of:

Doesn't he understand that his karma portals are shattering this dimension?
- This dimension? You mean the third one? You know that's not even the original dimension, right? What do you think is more important - the origin or the flawed copy?

You create a Copy of the Orignal and put that Copie inside the Orignal its as close as you are going to get without dieing from immense Gravity.

The concept of the copy is you can mimic, shape, form or what ever you will in order to understand more without disrupting the original.

It maps the position each layer is in relation to another. My concept of a building and that other guy theory of a subway is out of the equation. Because they do not line up. Ergo if the train platform don't line up it maps an uneven deform platform.

Maybe that the knot that needs untying if the doorway between layer is deformed.
he comparison I posted about the layout of the building an each of its floors is similar to the layer. Imagine seeing a standard seven floor building that is. Now imagine each of the floors are moving either a bit more to the left or the right. like the game Jenga, how you move each block. Now imagine the stairs that connect each floor is still intact but is warping due to the shifting Floors, thus only giving you some access to some parts of each floor. But the image you post shows that the layers are not in line with each other. The shattering of Murtaght Karma Portal effect in action

Remember in layer six you go up the ladder that has the part of the beemer hanging between the pipe. The hatch above is shut tight, if it where open we would have the ability to look around more in that layer. Maybe even explore more parts of the other layers with the access to the other room. but we cant because the door between the layer are deformed. The knot refers in the notes.

But since the layer are not in aliment the hatch cannot open.

Let me explain. I know knots have nothing to do with aliment but the concept is the same. Aliment is a way of a clearness between two or more objects. Similar to the two cups and string make a phone; because the vibration of the noise is traveling down a non-tangle up string and at the end the volume rises due to the amplification affect of the cup. Now if that string had a knot on it, the vibration in the string would dissipate due to the blockage of the knot. Same concept with the connection between each layer. If there is a deformation in the doorway you could have trouble accessing the other side of the knot.


Close, just imagine the funnel of the bottle where the cork is is deform while the cork is still in it thus preventing the cork from being able to remove from outside the funnel.

chuck12 wrote:If All the games up to "The Plan" are all layer one, then it may mean that 9 and 10 are part of layer one and that there might be more layers, each with names for series like Earthmachine, Skymachine, etc. I know it sounds corny, but maybe it means not layers going down, but layers going up.

Rooster5man wrote:If you want me to add to the convo, I'll gladly repost my comments from the other Forum here. However:

If All the games up to "The Plan" are all layer one, then it may mean that 9 and 10 are part of layer one and that there might be more layers, each with names for series like Earthmachine, Skymachine, etc. I know it sounds corny, but maybe it means not layers going down, but layers going up.

I'm not sure if you've played Sub8. There are 7 Layers - As stated, Layer 1 is all of what we've played so far. Layer 5 is where we ended Sub8, and "The Temple" will take place in Layer 5 - Mateusz Skutnik confirmed that.

To further address your suggestion: Each Layer makes up a different part of "reality," so SubNet is only on one of those Layers, being Layer One. Every other Layer has something different.

This is the post by Mateusz stating this for further background knowledge:

■1. no. reality is made of 7 different layers. subnet is a part of that reality.
■2. no. layer = dimension
■3. no. layer has all locations.
■4. no. there are 7 layers.
■5. no. certain location is not a layer.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Wait for it...

Sublevel 108 wrote:I will use this Mateusz's definition from now:

It's a concept of intertwining layers

Boingo wrote: Yes! The glory of an amazing 7-"dimensional*" entwined together.

*I don't care.

Vortex wrote:

Boingo wrote:*I don't care.

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WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:

Sublevel 102 wrote:I will use this Mateusz's definition from now:

It's a concept of intertwining layers

Use it if you like. Just forget the "Black Hole" Stuff.
Here a better copy if you like.

Been awhile but I finally figure out why Submachine 8 is called The Plan. In the wiki page for Submachine 8 before it was release at the bottom of the page ask "Why is it that all the other Submachine titles has the name of the location but submachine 8 is called the Plan" as in not a location

It just hit me that the definition of The Plan means BLUEPRINT or LAYOUT. The Plan means the layout of the Submachine world. In Submachine 8 it finally tells us the whole layout of the Submachine world, or just in general. Let take all of those maps of each layer posted on the submachine 8 wiki page . Now if I took layer One (the opening of Sub 8) and added all the previous games layout attach to it (Sub 0-7, FLF, SNEE, 32) they are all in the same layer as layer one. think of it as a layout blueprint of a floor in a skyscraper.

Now imagine I were to the layout of the other floors and all there location inside the building below me under the layout of the floor I am on; like the layer beyond what we see in Sub 8. Now I lay each layer from 1-8 from Sub 8 on top of each other and each where inline with each other. Now take the location of each layer from Submachine 8 so that they are on top of each other and I take a needle and poke a hole in that each layer in corresponding the other layer allowing each other layer access to the other. Like the stair in that building; the function of the stair is a form of a connection just like the beemers.

That what the plan is. Remember the note in Sub 7 on the Red Chair next to the Green Portal. It said "The plan is lost" what he dosn't mean is the prepare next steps have failed, but the Submachine is Falling apart from Murtaught Karma Portal. Each time he makes a Karma Portal its (a needle with thread attach) and I poke a hole in a page of one layer where there is nothing but the Black Void in the Layer corresponding to it so I can then move the needle up again in another part of the layer I am in; thus making a connection from the string into crossing into another part of that same layer. But as result in a metaphorical saying "He is punching holes in the boat and its filling with water thus resulting in the sinking of that boat."

Similar to when that Mass Accelerator in Europe where before it was to be turn on; some people protested that in theory if they turn it on it might create a Black Hole on the surface of the earth and therefor destroying the earth. Just like the Karma Portals are creating Black Hole in the Submachine and is slowly destroying it.

Same principle with the Navigator. We move to another layer to get around an obstacle in the layer we are moving through

It maps the position each layer is in relation to another. My concept of a building and that other guy theory of a subway is out of the equation. Because they do not line up. Ergo if the train platform don't line up it maps an uneven deform platform.

Maybe that the knot that needs untying if the doorway between layer is deformed.
he comparison I posted about the layout of the building an each of its floors is similar to the layer. Imagine seeing a standard seven floor building that is. Now imagine each of the floors are moving either a bit more to the left or the right. like the game Jenga, how you move each block. Now imagine the stairs that connect each floor is still intact but is warping due to the shifting Floors, thus only giving you some access to some parts of each floor. But the image you post shows that the layers are not in line with each other. The shattering of Murtaught Karma Portal effect in action

Remember in layer six you go up the ladder that has the part of the beemer hanging between the pipe. The hatch above is shut tight, if it where open we would have the ability to look around more in that layer. Maybe even explore more parts of the other layers with the access to the other room. but we cant because the door between the layer are deformed. The knot refers in the notes.

But since the layer are not in aliment the hatch cannot open.

Let me explain. I know knots have nothing to do with aliment but the concept is the same. Aliment is a way of a clearness between two or more objects. Similar to the two cups and string make a phone; because the vibration of the noise is traveling down a non-tangle up string and at the end the volume rises due to the amplification affect of the cup. Now if that string had a knot on it, the vibration in the string would dissipate due to the blockage of the knot. Same concept with the connection between each layer. If there is a deformation in the doorway you could have trouble accessing the other side of the knot.

Just imagine the funnel of the bottle where the cork is is deform while the cork is still in it thus preventing the cork from being able to remove from outside the funnel.

That "Wait for it..." I posted those around the forum, it was when I still had a couple more post until I reach my 1000th post.
I just use some of my threads as a look back part.

Boingo wrote:

OnyxIonVortex wrote:

Boingo wrote:*I don't care.

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I think Mat doesn't like "dimensions" used for the layers...

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:"Then use a Layer Cake for all I care" said Boingo

Rooster5man wrote:

Boingo wrote:

OnyxIonVortex wrote:

Boingo wrote:*I don't care.

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I think Mat doesn't like "dimensions" used for the layers...

Then explain this:

no. layer = dimension

Boingo wrote:Oh yeah!i remember that.
Whoopsie. I must of gotten confused. Or I had a brain fart. Or I wasn't reading that properly.

Anteroinen wrote:It has seemed to me that although dimension is a valid term, layer is favoured over it.

Rooster5man wrote:But, according to Mateusz, they are the same thing.

Anteroinen wrote:That was my point.

Rooster5man wrote:Oh, I didn't see it that way. When you said "Layer is favoured over Dimension," I thought you were arguing that the term "Layer" is more accurate, although Mateusz labels them as one and the same.

Boingo wrote:You know, we should have a recital class to prevent these kinds of things...

Instead of "One times Three is Three", we have " Dimension= layer but layers >dimensions."
Hang on. That didn't even make sense.

The Kakama wrote:I would be fairer to say alternate dimensions=layers.

Boingo wrote:The recital is still a paradox.

NO! Do Not post that paradox post!

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Submachine Exploedes

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Anyone remember this?
Granted...yes it was wrong.

But...I was right about two things.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Been awhile but I finally figure out why Submachine 8 is called The Plan. In the wiki page for Submachine 8 before it was release at the bottem of the page ask "Why is it that all the other Submachine titles has the name of the location but submachine 8 is called the Plan" as in not a location

It just hit me that the definition of The Plan means BLUEPRNT or LAYOUT. The Plan means the layout of the Submachine world. In Submachine 8 it finally tells us the whole layout of the Submachine world, or just in general. Let take all of those maps of each layer posted on the submachine 8 wiki page . Now if I took layer One (the opening of Sub 8) and added all the preveus games layout attach to it (Sub 0-7, FLF, SNEE, 32) they are all in the same layer as layer one. think of it as a layout blueprint of a floor in a skyscraper.

There was an Eight Layer, cause there was 8 slots in the navigator, and that image from layer 6 that said "When I ask for an Explanation, he drew me this."

There were 8 circles.

8 slots in the Navigator, and Eight Circles on that drawing?
You can say this theory was wrong.
But I can claim the right to say their was an eight layer first.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Why did I keep saying this?

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Wait for it...

Submachine 9, what else.

Sublevel 108 wrote:Glad someone was right about some moments about submachine.

But to make thousands double-posts...

ENIHCAMBUS wrote:I think he is capable of putting all the info in one post, I know he just wants to reach the 2000 posts as fast as posible. After all, he did the same when he was going to reach to 1000 posts.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:As far as I know, no one posted this Theory. I read post talking about Doctor Who, but I Don't know if anyone came to this conclusion. Please Post if you did.

What I think the Void is, from an episode of Doctor Who, he said in his definition, that the Void was the area between different Dimension, containing nothing. No time, no up, no down, no life. It endless. What if we have something similar with the Submachine series, but someone from some dimension figure out a way to build Physical structure withing this space between Dimension.

It would explain why there is a place on our earth called the Kent waterfall, but no Kent Lighthouse in our Earth. But what if there was another Dimension where such a place exists. That would also explain the none existing Laws off Physics we seen in the Game. Like the Movie Memory in Sub 2 that could bring a Key Card from nothing into existences. Or how some historical references don't match our own History Timeline.

Then the Layers of Reality, what if those Seven Layers were actually the only way the Submachine would could Exist. It would define seven Realities shared by all dimension. A thing they all have in Common, a way to build Laws in a Place that is Lawless. Kinda of how a stable Government couldn't exist without rules and Laws to make it possible to exist. Similar to what the Submachine has, except in terms of Structural stability.

What Mur, Liz, and Others, I think where the people who discovered the Submachine world, not the ones who created it. Like how in the Stargate series is base on People on Earth finding an Ancient Alien Technological Wormhole generator that allows them to travel through space. But the Stargates that belong to the Aliens that "ascended" into a mind without body state.

That is my idea as to why Liz and the Others are trying to figure out what the deal is with the Submachine. The Submachine was built by some higher form of beings that went somewhere some million eons ago. But they built the Submachine before they left. Because of Liz and the Others problems with the structure of the Submachine falling apart, at least that is what the note suggest that they can't fix it, shows me that they didn't create it. But what the detail on the ones who created the Submachine, I can't speculate anymore than I already have.

Rooster5man wrote:I remember thinking about "the Void" being the Doctor Who version, but I don't recall posting it, so it's fair game.

The only problem I see is the "higher form of beings" - I believe the creators and inhabitants of the SubNet are all human, there's no sign of "higher intelligence" (or even aliens) so far.

Edit: What I mean is: Perhaps all this technology is within human capability, we just haven't discovered it yet - Remember the time factor, we're unsure of how time flows here.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:When I mean higher being I meant some dimension similar to us human, but been around for a while, say before the other Dimension human came into simple intelligent. I'm not saying Alien like E.T. or Men from Mars kind of thing, just something, similar to human who been around longer than the average dimensional human.

Rooster5man wrote:Then you should have said so.

Okay, I'll call it Still Alive, can't really argue it.

The Abacus wrote:

there's no sign of "higher intelligence"

There has to be some sort of A.I. though (defense system). The extent to which its intelligence is however, we do not know.

Rooster5man wrote:I suppose, but we've yet to see how much the A.I. can control, DefSys aside. Submachine is real, thus it doesn't seem like any virtual reality albeit I don't know what to call "the new Basement" in that case.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:This is just a thought, I didn't want to waste space in the Submachine 9 Theory page, and I didn't want to create another thread for it to be one page.

But this is an idea, could the Submachine actually is earth? That one point, seven alternate universes version of Earth had only one thing in common. The Submachine, what ever that may be. But then something I can't speculate happen that cause the 7 different earths to take the same amount of space. Then each earth shattered into pieces, but they weren't different universe, but became the 7 layers. When they occupied the same at this moment, it shot the earths to some other location where the stars are non-existing in some layers but not it others. Technology at this point must have been limited, due to the chaos the event that the Seven Earth were join. Medieval prison dungeon, castle and other types old technology was used to continue their ways of life. An the calender system was restarted due to the event that cause the incident.

But parts of the remain of earth were affected more than the place where the survivors were. It either had some organism grow differently than usual due to the event that collapse part of the earth, it also had some relation to what cuase the inncident that join the seven earths. This organism had a structure defined by some unwritten laws of physics growth to it as well. This was known as the Outer Rim. Attempts to create a bridge and colonies this place cause destabilization of the parts of Earth that the survivors were on. It was then abandon.

The Survivors, decide to revert back to the old system of government of which a kings is in charge, or at least some way a king is present in the government system, but there is still a democracy in all of the chunks. But at some point, things went out of control an a war was fought.

Welcome to the world's famous Kent Lighthouse. This structure has been erected in 1857 by sir Henry o'Toole. It is said that this lighthouse was built on the ruins of an medieval prison dungeon. This is one of our sightseeing attractions as you can go visit the archeological digouts in the lower sections of the lighthouse, just below the basement level. Ask your tour guide for this feature. This lighthouse was amazingly never destroyed, though several wars have been fought over lands of Kent. That allows you to enjoy the original wall structure of this complex.
Thank You for coming,
Hope to see you again.

Now I theories is that the Submachine from each Layer was somehow holding the chunks of earth together. Then the people who survive on their fraction of earth were able to create a bridge between chunks, this was what the Root is. Some web of location connected together to create a bridge between location.

But then one of the layers, which was populated by the Subbots. The Subbots were some advances human form, and they created the Portal Devices. They were the created of the Subnet, which was some way or sequence in which the Location between chunks of Earth could be mapped into a grid. Thus the reason why some coordinates don't lead anywhere at all

But then one day, someone in some layer was able to cross between layers and explore parts of the Other Earth. Now at this point I guest he found one of the Portal devices and this happen.

portal prototype 2/32
Portal prototype developed for transportation of maintenance units between different sections of the subnet.
the prototype came into contact with human factor and was reverse-engineered in order to transport humans.
Primary function deleted.
As a main factor in the infestation spread the portal was considered a failure.

The root system was abandon, but still left in tack for the purpose of keeping a physical structure between chunks of the earth. The Portal system was available between layers. With this new technology available from each layer, new technology was created, such as the Wisdom gem, Mover, and other things we see in the Submachine.

The Fourth Dynasty
[...] The Fourth Dynasty at the peak of it's cultural and technological development was able to create first man-made submachine structure. That was around the beginning of twentieth century and is now considered the birthdate of the outer rim. Those first structures were merely flawed copies of the original structures, but in time they grew into something completely autonomous. Attempts to chart new territories failed miserably leaving the vast submachine wilderness to it's own. [...]

With all this new technology, they began the creation of outer rim, in attempt to create new location between the chunks of the earth. The outer Rim, unknown to the people had some relation to what cause the incident that joined the 7 earths.This then mutated out of control of the people, and attempts to live an chart these location failed. The outer Rim was abandon and left to grow on its own.

Later, they tried to make a computer to calculate or at least figure out what exactly happen that cause the 7 earth to be joined.

I clearly remember the day it all ended. It was not long after the computer processing power exceeded that of the human brain. Many thought that this was the turning point, but not so. The moment came a bit later. I remember, because I was there, when we asked the biggest question. The one we've been struggling with for millennia.
Why are we?

But this time the question wasn't directed at us. We asked the computer. And that was the turning point in the history of humanity. That exact moment. Once we acknowledged that we're not the most evolved structure on our planet, once we passed the torch, our purpose diminished. Did we expect the computer to fry under the heaviest of questions? Of course. So you can imagine our surprise, when this happened.

The computer answered the question.

The Question "Why are we" was a fraction to the whole as "Why are we here?". It did answer the question, it had some relation as to telling them about what every cause that event had something to do with some more evolves creature that was somehow similar to the Outer Rim. The lives of the people continue to advances.

Then one person came up with the idea of the Anti-Structure, Sir Henry O'toole. He help create stable building with this technology that enable some buildings, structures to remain in tack, even when the chunks of earth it was on had collapse.
He built the Lighthouse on the Land of Kent as some way to create this new structure while still basing it on the old ways before the event.

But then at some point their was tension between layers and a war broke out again. The line from the lighthouse pamphlet here is what makes me think that

This lighthouse was amazingly never destroyed, though several wars have been fought over lands of Kent. That allows you to enjoy the original wall structure of this complex.

Now after the war was over, Sir Henry O'toole was hired by the King to build the winter Palace as a safe place for scentist. As a way to promote peace and development for a better tomorrow.

I know it is kind of ironic to dock my laboratory out here in the ruins of the winter palace.
The king always wanted this palace to become safe haven for people of science.
Here I am, my king.

L

But then sometime later, someone was able to do the things that Murtuagh was able to do. Maybe in attempt to create new location like the attempt with the Outer Rim. He thought some how he could control it this time.

Since then I started to learn how to use my karma arm, and soon my skills were those of a master.
But in doing so started to destabilizing the Subnet and chunks of earth started to fall apart due to the damage of the already fragile state these location were in. The Portal system that was created was able to some how spread it.

Primary function deleted.
As a main factor in the infestation spread the portal was considered a failure.

But then this person was stop.

Then what every happen next, was at some point the people of the Submachine died out, The Subbots were asleep or parts of their race survive, and the location remain where they were. But then some race of humans who were from outside these remain of Earth discovered it and started to do Archaeological excavation.These people included Liz and Murtuagh, and the Others. At first, they thought that this place was some man made structure in this vast nothingness.

How could they have possibly known?
How could they mimic the structure of the subnet so accurately within simple garden plans?...
This is completely baffling.

But then they realize what the Submachine Actually was, that it was parts of seven earths that joined in the same space.

I finally understood how they could mimic the structure of the subnet within a garden...
They didn't have to mimic. They were already living inside the subnet.
L

But then Mur found a way to do what that person was tying to do. He found out about it when he was at the Kent Waterfalls.
Then the events of the Submachine Story is known.

The Exit I guest is the place were the people like Liz were able to enter the Submachine.

Rooster5man wrote:Disclaimer: This isn't more than a Theory than a Fan Fiction because all you did was glue bits and pieces together and labeled it as a "Theory." I have no doubt you're going to say you could still be right, but okay, I'm up for the challenge.

But then something I can't speculate happen that cause the 7 different earths to take the same amount of space

Just because it's a different Dimension doesn't mean it has to have a different amount of space that it takes up.

Or it could be Game Mechanics: Perhaps Mateusz is only showing us "a glimpse of The Plan."

An the calender system was restarted due to the event that cause the incident.

32 Chambers is a side-game, so I'd avoid mentioning that as a source, especially since you're using it to take a wild guess.

It either had some organism grow differently than usual due to the event that collapse part of the earth, it also had some relation to what cuase the inncident that join the seven earths.

So first you're telling me:

Then each earth shattered into pieces, but they weren't different universe, but became the 7 layers.

Then you tell me:

Attempts to create a bridge and colonies this place cause destabilization of the parts of Earth that the survivors were on. It was then abandon.

Which one is it? It's either humans caused the incident, or it "naturally" (spontaneously, however you want to word it) happened.

And either way, it seems Doubtful that this is the way the Layers were created - It sounds like a dystopian alien movie, nothing like Submachine.

I don't believe the Layers are "alternate Earths with each Earth looking to connect with each other," simply because The Plan and the Layers were created by Architects. Unless, somehow, millions of years ago, these "Architects" built alternate Earths, just to confuse us all, then you'd have a valid point.

The Survivors, decide to revert back to the old system of government of which a kings is in charge, or at least some way a king is present in the government system, but there is still a democracy in all of the chunks. But at some point, things went out of control an a war was fought.

I'm nearly sure the pamphlet's referring to a War that actually happened, before the Submachine was ever involved, back when the area was a Medieval Prison Dungeon. Of course, Time Travel is an explanation as to how the Submachine and the Dungeons could exist simeltaneously, but the ruins of the Dungeons are the only parts that were "turned" into the Submachine, when it became the Lighthouse.

But then one of the layers, which was populated by the Subbots. The Subbots were some advances human form, and they created the Portal Devices. They were the created of the Subnet, which was some way or sequence in which the Location between chunks of Earth could be mapped into a grid. Thus the reason why some coordinates don't lead anywhere at all

If (according to your Theory) Submachine is Earth, and there are many Earths, which are being connected by bridges (your definition of "The Root," then that is already a "Submachine Network."

And every coordinate has a destination, we just haven't been shown them yet...

But then one day, someone in some layer was able to cross between layers and explore parts of the Other Earth. Now at this point I guest he found one of the Portal devices and this happen.

I'm pretty sure that's a note from an actual Explorer, not some random person who happened to cross Layers.

The root system was abandon, but still left in tack for the purpose of keeping a physical structure between chunks of the earth.

Why? According to your Theory, the Portal Systems were made, the Portal prototype was reverse-engineered to support humans, there's no need to keep the Root.

With all this new technology, they began the creation of outer rim, in attempt to create new location between the chunks of the earth. The outer Rim, unknown to the people had some relation to what cause the incident that joined the 7 earths.This then mutated out of control of the people, and attempts to live an chart these location failed. The outer Rim was abandon and left to grow on its own.

The Outer Rim only spurred mutations when asked "Why are we?" And how could the Outer Rim "cause the incident" when, according to your timeline, the Outer Rim hasn't even been created yet?

According to your Theory, the only reason they built the Outer Rim was because of technology from the Subbots, which they came across after the Incident, which was (again, your Theory) before the Outer Rim was created.

But then at some point their was tension between layers and a war broke out again. The line from the lighthouse pamphlet here is what makes me think that

Or it could be there were Wars fought over trying to kill Mur (before the idea of his being buried alive every happened), or that the Wars never affected the Lighthouse itself, and the people in the War wanted the Lighthouse intact.

Now after the war was over, Sir Henry O'toole was hired by the King to build the winter Palace as a safe place for scentist. As a way to promote peace and development for a better tomorrow.

O'Toole was a servant to the King's Master Urbanist when he built the Winter Palace, and an Architect when he built the Lighthouse...This could only mean the Lighthouse was built after the Palace.

Since then I started to learn how to use my karma arm, and soon my skills were those of a master.

This was said by Mur, there's no "other person" that was suddenly "stopped"...

The Exit I guest is the place were the people like Liz were able to enter the Submachine.

Entering in an Exit...that's logical....

World, you need a lot more facts here, that's the only thing that will sustain this Theory.

If, by Mateusz's grace, this is correct, then I apologize, but I don't see how this can be possible.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:This is basically why I didn't want to waste space in the Sub 9 theory thread.
There is too much confusion
I can get no Relief

Rooster5man wrote:Businessmen drink your wine, plowmen dig your earth?

Anyway: Well, it's not "wasting space" more than trying to get you to come up with a Theory that uses less story-telling and more fact-tying.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Sorry for being an author.

Rooster5man wrote:And I'm not?

You're labeling it as a "Theory." If you're being an "author," then you clearly know when to label it as a Fan Fiction and not a Theory...

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:I I do is think, I am a NoWhere Man, This is a theory, because of all the data I collected. The fact of the Garden Plan note saying how they Didn't Have to Mimic, they were already Living inside give me the impression that the Submachine was once some place, because if they were already living inside, that gives me the idea of a planet, not a space station if you will.

You can say the same about us, we weren't mimicking the places where we live on this planet, because we were already living on this earth.

Rooster5man wrote:Okay, but if you want to state that part, state it, don't add filler such as "there's a man-made bridge connecting alternate Earths" or "Sub-bots are an advanced form of human," just go straight to the point and add the facts to it. Adding more filler makes it Fan Fiction.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Are we as human not to create the concept, or our we to stop in our tracks when we "feel" there is no more to add.

Rooster5man wrote:Yes, and that would mean letting our imagination run wild...But what happens to a Theory when our imagination runs too wild?

Put yourself in my shoes: If I were to Theorize some outlandish claim such as the one you made, or even saying the Submachine has aliens (let's pretend Mateusz didn't debunk that), you would tell me my Theory's still alive?

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:I actually would, there is still that variable since we not actually look at someone else face to face.

26_994 wrote:Ex-Scarlet Country has to say, that "theories" here are actually supposes to be named "hypothesises".[/quote

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:A new face, and in Numbers too.
ohhhh, you go with that one do you 16_994?
Very Cheeky.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Don't need this Theory.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:What I think these layers are, with the Clue from Mateusz saying they are the Seven Layers of Reality.
My theory is that some point in Earth History, the Reality, or Reality of Physics changes all of a sudden. In Submachine 32 chambers, we did not prevent Doomsday but instead set the date for when the Next Change in the Reality on Earth was set.

I clearly remember the day it all ended. It was not long after the computer processing power exceeded that of the human brain. Many thought that this was the turning point, but not so. The moment came a bit later. I remember, because I was there, when we asked the biggest question. The one we've been struggling with for millennia.
Why are we?
But this time the question wasn't directed at us. We asked the computer. And that was the turning point in the history of humanity. That exact moment. Once we acknowledged that we're not the most evolved structure on our planet, once we passed the torch, our purpose diminished. Did we expect the computer to fry under the heaviest of questions? Of course. So you can imagine our surprise, when this happened.
The computer answered the question.

This metaphorical Passing of the Torch, means the Computer told the date of when the next time Reality of Earth or its Reality of Earth Physics was going to Change. Thus the new Layer would be created.

The people such as Mur and Liz and all the Other were people from Different Layer who develop the Mental Capacity to step out of their Own Layer, to View all theses Layers. The Submachine is the World Created to Cross between each Layer at Will.

But there is an Eight Layer, it just that the Seventh Layer has not reach its date that its Reality would change. Thus the Eight button can't exist yet. Mur wanting to get to this Eight Layer, tried to Cheat Physics and just go to the Eight Layer. He start to use his Karma Ability to create a portal to get to the Eight Layer. He succeeded. He then finds the ability to be present in all Layers simultaneously so that he can create stability to cross the Karma Portal. But the Submachine, seeing this happen responded by creating the Outer Rim and the Mutation as a Form of Communication to the Others to stop Mur.

Liz and the Other, hearing this warning, move this Portal somewhere back to the Temple in Layer 5. Then the Other burred Mur to keep him from trying to reach the Portal. Liz objecting to this waned no part. Mur was able to escape by going to the Outer Rim. But he still needed to get inside the Core in order to Access the Portal. He recruit Followers who also wanting to get to this Eight Layer. But he still needed a way to deactivate the Defense System. So he gives some of his Followers Amnesia in attempt to get them to shut down the Defense System. He had to give them Amnesia so that the Sumbachine would not view the Followers as a threat, due to their memory erase. Thus their pack with Mur not found. The Player is one of these Followers. But what Mur did not predict that the Player would chase after him to get him.

Mur plans to get revenge, not by killing the Others, but by crossing the Portal. But he needs to catch Liz, because she has the Key to the lock that is on the Portal.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Hello?

People are usually on this by now.

borys610 wrote:Interesting one surely, but it looks like Liz weren't so bad for Mur from the beginning, she did not buried him.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Changes.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Hello?

People are usually on this by now.

Mur wanting to get to this Eight Layer

Mateusz saying they are the Seven Layers of Reality.

The people such as Mur and Liz and all the Other were people from Different Layer who develop the Mental Capacity to step out of their Own Layer, to View all theses Layers. The Submachine is the World Created to Cross between each Layer at Will.

He start to use his Karma Ability to create a portal to get to the Eight Layer

move this Portal somewhere back to the Temple in Layer 5.

But the Submachine, seeing this happen responded by creating the Outer Rim and the Mutation as a Form of Communication to the Others to stop Mur.

Then the Other burred Mur to keep him from trying to reach the Portal.

So he gives some of his Followers Amnesia in attempt to get them to shut down the Defense System. He had to give them Amnesia so that the Sumbachine would not view the Followers as a threat, due to their memory erase.

Mur plans to get revenge, not by killing the Others, but by crossing the Portal. But he needs to catch Liz, because she has the Key to the lock that is on the Portal.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:

move this Portal somewhere back to the Temple in Layer 5

Would this be the Lighthouse Portal? Because you follow it up with:

The lighthouse portal was built for the attempt to escape.

And if they could move Karma Portals, then why can't they stop the Core from ripping apart?

The Submahine didn't want Mur to go to the Eight Layer. The Core falling apart was one of the Response the Submachine to what Mur was doing.

I was pretty sure they buried Mur to keep him from destroying The Core further (being The Lighthouse is inside The Core.)

Same thing, he was going to the Eight Layer, He is an Explorer is he not. The Submachine Response to that taking apart the Core. The Others hearing the message burried Mur to keep him from the Portal, and Move the portal as an extra precaution.

The DefSys considers all humans as an "Infestation" though, so that's a moot point

Yet the Sbmachine let Liz and the Other Human live inside.

Um...Mur had Liz cornered, he could have got the key in Sub7, so why didn't he? Then he could have continued to Layer 5, thus Liz followed after him.

No in Sub7 Liz got out before Mur could grab her. He still after her.

Find Liz. She will guide you.
If he's the explorer, she's the solver.

She tries to solve the Problem that the Other presented to her. Mur is the Explorer, the Sky the limit in his mind.

Mur simply wants to be on the fifth Layer to get his revenge on "the others." What do you propose is on the eighth Layer that he really needs?

The end of the Sequence. The final layer is about to be created. Its going to happen, yet Mur is not patient.

Back to point 1, it's interesting how you don't believe Mateusz's hints, but you based your Theory around this post:

Freedom, what can I tell ya.

Please don't double post, have patience.

Right, sorry. I keep forgetting the Variable upon Variable upon Variable in the Rudimentary Equation.

Rooster5man wrote:

The lighthouse portal was built for the attempt to escape.

It was a shot in the dark, I didn't know what you were referring to.

The Submahine didn't want Mur to go to the Eight Layer. The Core falling apart was one of the Response the Submachine to what Mur was doing.

Again, I don't know about that sentience - It could be why the Knot was created however.

Regardless, you forgot this:

- Doesn't he understand that his karma portals are shattering this dimension?

- This dimension? You mean the third one? You know that's not even the original dimension, right? What do you think is more important - the origin or the flawed copy?

It's because they're copies that they're being shattered, they probably can't withstand Mur's powers.

Same thing, he was going to the Eight Layer, He is an Explorer is he not. The Submachine Response to that taking apart the Core. The Others hearing the message burried Mur to keep him from the Portal, and Move the portal as an extra precaution.

So you believe the message that the Computer gave (or Submachine, as you think it) was to take apart the Core, not create mutations in the Outer Rim?

Yet the Sbmachine let Liz and the Other Human live inside.

Yet they don't have amnesia. So your point?

No in Sub7 Liz got out before Mur could grab her. He still after her.

He's not after Liz, he's after those on Layer 5. Otherwise, as I just said, Mur would've disposed of her:

I have to warn them. I have to get to the fifth layer. I wish you could follow me but I have only one rescue pod left

Yeah, I forgot about Mur being behind Liz, I'll admit that, but if he were after Liz, why would he need to go to Layer 5 at all? And why would Liz think Mur's after those on Layer 5 if Mur's really after Liz?

The end of the Sequence. The final layer is about to be created. Its going to happen, yet Mur is not patient.

So then why go to Layer 5? He needs to get his revenge and then still wait for the supposed eighth Layer to be created? I don't see any point in that.

Freedom, what can I tell ya.

What freedom? You either do or don't believe what he tells us.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Layer five is where the Others move the Portal. But the Temple could only be access from the inside of the Core. He need to go through the Winter palace in order to get to the Temple.

xetroV wrote:That theory is very interesting, but I see one flaw that destroys it.
There are only seven layers. That fact can't be changed.

Anteroinen wrote:Your theory is interesting although largely conjectural. I don't really buy any of what you propose about Elizabeth and Murtaugh, but the idea that layers are created via this process is interesting as it is.

Rooster5man wrote:

Layer five is where the Others move the Portal. But the Temple could only be access from the inside of the Core. He need to go through the Winter palace in order to get to the Temple.

So that's the answer to "Why Mur wants to go to Layer five?", other than what we know about his revenge on those on Layer 5 (i.e. inside The Temple)?

However, you said:

But he needs to catch Liz, because she has the Key to the lock that is on the Portal

So what good is going to Layer Five if he doesn't have the key?

And why would Liz go to Layer Five if that just makes it easier for Mur to get the Portal working?

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Oh...wait.
Wrong Theory.

There was an eight Layer.
Okay...just needed to get this Bragging out of my system.

HA HA HA!!!!!!
I WAS RIGHT!

SCORE 1 for WiQ.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Okay I'm good.
Can someone help me get rid of my old Theory pages.

Some of them are way too old and I don't want them on this forum anymore.
They serve there purpose...and there is no need for them in the Pastel Forum History Book.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:The two rooms that make up location jul bring up my theory that sometimes, when given the right circumstance, a Karma Portal can possible create a Damaging effect as to where of simple destroying the Location where they Ends are located at. They might instead stretch parts of the Locations beyond their Layer and bring them to Together.

When observing the two Rooms at location jul, they are contain different Architecture designs.
The only connection is the two framed photos that share similarity between the images, but they are both compose by an artist named Julia Tusz. But they could be a shared similarity between mindset or personality as well as abilities. Because some actions are possible shared by completely different people in multiple layers.

Cat Note wrote:Today a strangest thing has happened. When I woke up there was a black cat inside the lighthouse. I clearly remember locking all the doors and windows before going to bed - yet - there he was. I have no idea how he could get inside.

The Goddess wrote:A woman came to our village. No one knows exactly how she entered, since the gate was closed at the time.

The Goddess and Einstein could be the same person, but until proven, we have to assume they are completely different people.

Since all we know nothing about the creators about the of these Photos, other than the fact they share the same name, we can only conclude that these names are from different people, from different layers, who happen to share the Ability and Mindset across the Layers that went into the creations of these Framed Photos.

What might have happen before the Karma Portal arrival at Coordinates 291 and 001, this was the original structure shared between the locations, and the Karma Portal.

Both rooms were individual with their own structure spanning beyond the space that the other room currently occupies at location jul.
Murtaugh created a Karma Portal between layers at the location the two rooms and their structure. But then, he created a Karma Portal inside the Karma Portal that connected between the two locations.

Transcript 17/38 wrote: Liz: You can create dimensional portals while being inside such a portal?
Murtaugh: Yes, I can.
Liz: And when you do, what happens then?
Murtaugh: ...you change direction.
Liz: Direction of what?
Murtaugh: Of everything.

This lead to a series of events that occurred as this:

1.There was the Original Karma Portal between the Two Rooms.
2. Murtaugh Created portal inside the Portal connecting between the two Rooms at Location.

Each point from here on all happen almost simultaneously.

3. Sometime later, the damaging effect of Karma Portal cause the two rooms that were originally connected to stretching beyond the Layers, and cause the locations to "pull" towards each other
4. The space of the connecting structures started to collapse as they were started to occupy the same space.
5. One of the original Karma Portal started to occupy the space of the other Karma Portal. Thus the Submachine "Threw" one of the original Karma Portal and the connection to the third portal somewhere else in the Subnet.
6. The "thrown" Karma Portal arrives in Layer 1, at Coordinates 291. But then as results of the Damage still occurring, the Karma Portal still had nothing to connect to.
7.The Transporter nearby the spot where the Karma Portal arrived at 291, was also affect from this Damage results.
8. The Karma Portal that did not having a place to connect to use the Transporter to create a new connection to another location in Layer 1.
9. The Transporter creates a new Karma Portal Connection at Coordinate 001.
10. The Karma Portal Damaging effect has finish, and the new Karma Portal is created.

The reason why I believe it happen as such is due to observation in the Submachine Universe.

At Contrast Room at the side of the floor lies some debris of white stone. You can't tell in this photo, but if you went to this location yourself, you will find that the stone debris is a slight different color tone.

This Stone Debris Color tone can be match to the color tone of the Wall of the Lab.


But the reason as to why the Karma Portal ended up at Coordinate 291 first is due to this.



The shatter White Stone Debris wrap around the Karma Portal 291, is made up of a composition of the same Color Tone as the white Wall in the Contrast Room and the Wall to the Lab where 001 is. Again, please note it more obvious if you go to the actual location these photos have been taken.
It can also be noted that before the Karma Portal at location 291 arrived, there was nothing occupying the space at which the Karma Portal is located.


Then at Location mnt. There is nothing around that Karma Portal or the location that contains anything from which the White Stone material around the Karma Portal at 291 could have come from. But as we know from observation made from other Karma Portals is that they do tend to suck in parts of the Structure Material from which they are place. And sometimes even bring it to the other side.

It can also be noted that both the Karma Portal located at 001, and 291 did 'appear' at the same time.
(By which I mean they both were part of the same Update to the Submachine Universe game.)

RuloCore wrote:r u srs

MateuszSkutnik wrote:o_0
wow.

Babylon wrote:Judging by that reaction, I'd say this was either correct or widly wrong. I'm hoping the first.

ENIHCAMBUS wrote:Maybe that explains how Murtaugh conected a location of the Core with one of the Edge.

RuloCore wrote:It's too technical and precise to be 100% accurate with what's Mateusz's thinking.

I didn't really understand the process of the portals though. The problem is the drawings don't clarify me much as there are similar words for many objects and places in Subnet.

ENIHCAMBUS wrote:I checked in Subnet and I'm sorry to say but there is no actual difference between the wall and debris color. Your image happens to have "Image noise"

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Try looking at the big slab piece among of the Debris at Location jul.
Then look at both the Slab and the bottom of the wall.
Do you still see the color tone variation not changing, cause the slab looks more Gray, rather than white.

Then at location 291, at the Karma Portal.
The line of stone pointing towards the Southwest, the piece farthest from the Karma Portal and closet to the edge of the grass.
Compare that piece to the rest of the chunks.
That one is what caught my attention, it more of a match to the White Wall at Location jul if you look at the wall from under the Framed Photo.

The wall at the Lab, the faint light from this (suppose flashlight), at the center of the screen, there wall colon tone is the same all around.
Then at Location jul, at the Source of (suppose flashlight), while looking at the frame with the end bit of the white room. The tone is more of a match to the chunk piece I mention at Location 291.

If you still don't see it, let me know.
Just wish to make sure.

MateuszSkutnik wrote:

Babylon wrote:Judging by that reaction, I'd say this was either correct or widly wrong. I'm hoping the first.

no, I'm astonished by amount of work put into it.
stop judging me.

ENIHCAMBUS wrote:But the wall of the lab location with the Karma Portal to JUL is green.

MateuszSkutnik wrote:

Babylon wrote:Judging by that reaction, I'd say this was either correct or widly wrong. I'm hoping the first.

no, I'm astonished by amount of work put into it.
stop judging me.

Makes me wonder if he was astonished also with Zerpentos' theory.

The Abacus wrote:Wow, I never would have noticed those minor details.

Oh, and the quotes need to be written with quotations to work properly:

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[quote="The Goddess"]A woman came to our village. No one knows exactly how she entered, since the gate was closed at the time. [/quote]

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Heres a place for Forum User to post a possible Ending Story for the Submachine Games.

Rules:

1. You can only post End Stories for the Submachine Series, other series such as Fog Fall, Daymare Town, Aurora, Tader of story's, Morbid, The Scene of the Crime, Space Oddity are not allowed for this Post.

2. Your Story can be any length from 1 Paragraph to the limit on a Post.

3. People can critise the Story but only in the Submachine End Story Disscusion Page. When leaveing a Post about someone Story please mention the Usernames of the Post the Story belongs to, to avoid confusion.

4. You cannot Copy, Paste someone Story on this Post and claim it as your own. You can use some elements of someone else Story in your such as certain detales, or possible Themes, but you cannot steal someone else story to claim as your own.

5. You can expand someone else story with the orginal author persion. you can ask them on the Submachine End Story Disscusion Page. You MUST wait for a response from that person via Pastel Forum before you can expand their Story.

6. When giving person to someone who ask to expand you Story, you must state their Username and permission given writen in Bold.

7. This Page is not to be used for Submachine 9, or 10 Theories, and/or Disscusion. There is a Page for that purposed. USE IT.

8. When writing a Story there CANNOT I repeate CANNOT be any form of Sexaual contents. Any kind will be deleated from this page.

9. There can be Romances Contents such as one between Mur and Liz for Character Developement, such as a private conversation between each other about personal matters, or moments of conflict experianse between two people. NO Types of Sexual Content.

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I'll start us off.

When you walk into The Temple, you find that Mur and Liz dead. You find evidents that a great battle took place. But Liz and Mur don't look like they die from killing each other but just drop dead. In the remains of that battle you find a Map with a Note attach in the hands of a of Liz. The Map shows how to Exit the SubNet. you then read the note, it said:

I didn't wake up in a room.
And I do remember.
I remember I had a strange dream.
I was playing a game:
Submachine.
I also remember finishing that game.
But I don't remember waking up from that dream

On the Computer Screen behind Liz and Mur Body is the Security Recording. Some of it damage due to the battle, but part of the conversation is between Mur and Liz is understandable.

Mur: I going too, we've been here too long! It have to have change by now! The years we've been in here were not measured, so for all we know the Plants have come back.
Liz: But what if you are wrong? What if by opening the Door you will have killed us all?!
Mur: That a chances I'm willing to tak...

The rest of the conversation is too damage to understand. Whats left of the recording sound like the inhabited screaming, but you can't see what is killing them.
You see the missing Button that fit into the Navigator. You Put the Button back in its place. When you pushes it the Button starts to glow and then you see a Backdoor appear at the other side of the Temple.

You then looks at the Map showing things you hasn't seen before appear right before your Eyes. The Map shows you the backdoor leads the way to the Exit, then, following the Hallway leading out to behind the Temple to the rest of Layer 5. When you steps forward you then end up back at the front of Layer 5. You then moves to the left to find a Secret Doorway in the shatters remains of the front of the Temple.

The Secret Doorway you discover connect each part of the Rooms you seen on the Journey to the Exit. You step through the Doorway to find yourself in a part of Liz Ship you didn't find before. Then, pausing for a moment to see Liz Ship. You then head back down the Docking Pod into the Winter Palaces. On your walk to the Portal Doors leading to The Sanctuary you see the Ghost of Mur and his Army invading the Winter Palace. When you walks through the Portal Door and step onto the soft Grass that you remember, the Portal Door collapsed Atom by Atom until there is nothing left but Dust.

Then you makes your way to the Cliff next to Mur Desk at the end of Sanctuary and find another Secret Doorway made of Blue Light. You walk through the Door to find yourself at the top of the Defense Grid, where, the SubBot Portal Machine you used, with the Connecting Pod right where you left it. When you looks to your right, you see the Past Moments made by the The Turret Chain shooting at all those who attempt to penetrate the Defense System. Then taking a step through the floor down to the corridor where you found the entrance to the Pipe System at the Cliff.

Seeing the Main counsel that you used to disable the Defense System, more Ghost have appeared. It appears it Mur walking through the Defenses System observing the structure.

Mur: What if I'm wrong? Were these death necessary? But if If I am, the Machine will still have to keep its main program running. It cannot allow our ...... to die. Maybe it might create something as a recording as a way to keep it protocol running. But that will not happen once I prove to them I was right. That can't be the one thing I was wrong about. I know it has changed by now.

His Ghost disappears. As you walks through the Pipes, you see the Victims of Murtaugh Scheme, each die by their own Death. When you reach the Cliff, looking down at the bottomless Void you takes a step onto the nothingness and walk back to where you enter the Mover.

When you reaches the Hallway to find that the debris that block the doorway was gone. When you touch the handle of the door it whole structure change into a new shape bending into a door made of nothing but Blue Light. When you step through the light you find yourself on the Cliff next to The Statue. You then walk down to the main area of the Ancient Sector, to where you reach the Wall next to the Portal Machine. You then see anther door but its made of nothing but carving into the stone by a knife. Looking at the carving you turn the knob drawn into the wall and the Door open itself to nothing but Endless Hallways. Before you walk in you turn around to see the Scientist Ghost working for Mur in the Ancient Sector as if your are not there.

Taking a heavy sigh, you step into the Endless Hallways when you realize the Endless Hallway is the Loop, standing in the middle of endless hallways you turn around to find the Door gone and replace with nothing but the Loop. When you take your first step forward you then are thrown right next to the Button on the wall that started your journey into the Loop. Seeing the Lighthouse behind the wall the Button is attach to, you take a step pass the wall as if it where nothing but Fog. Inside the top of the lighthouse you then climb down the ladder to the common area to witness Mur Ghost reliving the moments he suffered while being isolated underground. Part of his conversation with himself is understandable.

Mur: I've got to get out of here. This isolation I know isn't real. But my Mind can't bend the Sub.....Machine due to the rules programed into it. Maybe if I open the door I will proved to them I was right. When they built it, they never did put in a clock. But to open the door I have to get to the Temple. Then that where I will go.

The rest is can't be understood.

When you reach the Submachine Game you find a hidden Doorway behind the game. Pulling the Game to the side, you take a step forward you find the Basement, the place where it all began. When you step into the Elevator for the last time it takes you not to the ending of the Game but to Dorm area of the Lab. Thinking about washing your face with cold water, you enter the Bathroom you look into the Mirror to final see yourself. The refection you see starts to smile when you are not. Then your reflection and the room it in the Mirror then reshapes itself in nothing but Blackness. When seeing this you are neither scared or worried by what you see, in fact you don't feel any kind of emotion. After staring at the Mirror for seem like forever, words start to appear like they are being type on a typewriter.

It read " As you probably know by now that you are Dreaming. I take you want to wake up now." Then the words vanish and then suddenly the Bathroom start to shake. Then without your noticing you start to get pulled into the Mirror.

When you open your Eyes they hurt like you haven't used them in eons. You then see clearly that you are in some kind of bed with a Green Dome in covering the top. Then you hear a werring sound and the glass lift itself open. When you get out you see that you are in a room full of other Green Pods. But at closer inspection you find that everyone inside are dead. There are two distinctive Pods standing in front of the endless rows of Pods. Then your look at the Labels of the Pods showing the names of the people inside. The Label on one of the said "Murtaugh " and the other "Elizabeth". As you turn around back at the endless Pods you notice that the endless rows of pods seem to split down the middle between Mur and Liz Pod. Then you see that your Pod stands right in the middle of those two section of Pods. Reading the Label on your Pod your find it to be scratch over, making it unreadable. Then lights start to turn on and you see at the end of the rows of Pods it a huge Computer. to the left of that Huge Computer is an open Door. The size of the Door is huge, it looks like something like a Bank Vault Door. You walk up to it to Main Consul to find the Label on top of the Main Screen. It reads "Sub.............Machine". There is Dust covering the middle part of the Label. When you wipe it off it reads " Sub-Conscious Collective Machine".

Realizing that the SubNet and all its realm is nothing more than a Machine Storing the Sub-Conscious of everyone in the Pods; your start to have trouble breathing. Looking for some Fresh Air you run towards the open Vault Door. When you reach outside you find out that Earth has been reduce to nothing but Deserts as far as the eye could see. Then, taking another breath you find that the Air in this never ending Desert is Poisonous. Realizing your about to die you then take one last look at the Sun. As you do, it seem you start to fall into its Light until it completely surrounding you. Your body then falls to the ground. The Desert winds continue to blow.

The Main Screen on the Sub-Conscious Collective Machine starts to run another program. It said:

Subject#742.......................................................
....................................................:-disconnected
10111010110001101101101001011011011011
Running_start-up/program
program:........[Basement]
Subject#743_[connecting]

THE END.

bender wrote:Why are you making end theories or rooms? Is it because of 21.12.2012?

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:No it's a Story Page. Any user in this Forum can write his/her version of what they think the ending of the Submachine Story will be.

No more on this topic, Stories from now on, want to discuss it more, go to the Discussion Page.

Rooster5man wrote:Shouldn't this belong in General Discussion? It's Fan Fiction, although relevant to Submachine. However, it'd seem reasonable, as to not confuse people, that Fan Fiction and Theories are in seperate categories.

Wait...why am I here? Moreover... why did I find this relevant enough to write this down?

"What has happened before will happen again." - Ecclesiastes 1:9-18

9. - What has happened before will happen again. What has been done before will be done again. There is nothing new in the whole world.

10. - 'Look,' they say, 'here is something new!' But no, it has all happened before, long before we were born.

11. - No one remembers what has happened in the past, and no one in days to come will remember what happens between now and then.

12. - I, the Philosopher, have been king over Israel in Jerusalem.

13. - I determined that I would examine and study all the things that are done in this world. God has laid a miserable fate upon us.

14. - I have seen everything done in this world, and I tell you, it is all useless. It is like chasing the wind.

15. - You can't straighten out what is crooked; you can't count things that aren't there.

16. - I told myself, 'I have become a great man, far wiser than anyone who ruled Jerusalem before me. I know what wisdom and knowledge really are.'

17. - I was determined to learn the difference between knowledge and foolishness, wisdom and madness. But I found out that I might as well be chasing the wind.

18. - The wiser you are, the more worries you have; the more you know, the more it hurts.

I´m Lost...

When will the World be Quiet Here?


Where will the World be Quiet Here?

Wait... Is this...the 8th Layer?


Is this... the Grand Exit I heard so much about?

Am I...finally Free?


There is nothing but Light.


Not even a single shred of darkness.


I cannot even find a single shadow hidden in a corner. It´s Beautiful.


Who was it that once told me the truth not so log ago?


... Murtaugh?


No... It was not him.

But...what did he say?


"Light up the Darkness"?


Maybe The World is Quiet Here.

I just had this idea after playing Covert Front 4. Remember when we are in that room similar to the Submachine and after we ask for Karl Von Toten from the Machine then after his image is gone he left behind the Chair he was sitting in? That made me think of something from the Submachine; there are some creature comfort but the most common is the empty Chairs?

I'm wondering when the Submachine for a moment creates a momentary copy of a person that after that copy is gone the chair is left behind. That just makes me wonder is every Chair we see in the Submachine 1-7, The Future Loop Foundation, and SNEE is a count for every one person created.

I remember reading a Theory from SNEE I can't remember who wrote it but he said that Murtaugh was trap somewhere in the world of the Submachine and he activate some old program that makes you the Character you play go through test just so you can set him free. The notes from Submachine 6 came from people who sound like they went through the same situation; and say don't trust his lies? I wounder if every Chair we see in the Submachine Series is a different starting point for the character you played resurrected.