Pastelland Forum

I like the contaminated waterfall idea. But it raises one question, from where did the "karmic water" come in the first place? who built that fountain?

About the background, I don't know, but it looks like the structures are replicating or something, there are many "pinnacles" and they all look the same.

And finally, if we will keep the navigator, and there is a green beam, that means we will probably travel between layers again

It seems we can make quite a few theories out of that image alone... I can't even imagine what will the entire game be like...

I like the contaminated waterfall idea. But it raises one question, from where did the "karmic water" come in the first place? who built that fountain?

The person who built the fountain probably also built the beamer structures, probably the architects. But as to where the green energy comes from, maybe there's some kind of power source in the beamers.

And finally, if we will keep the navigator, and there is a green beam, that means we will probably travel between layers again

I hope so.

Anteroinen wrote:Pray tell why? These new worlds had tangible applications. Whatever the method, we know that when the layer structure was found it was immediately exploited to create clever new types of architecture, and that is just one example of the many possibilities these worlds give. These worlds actually, demonstrably, existed. It wasn't as if a couple of people went insane. Further, if the energy got to the water supply through a crack like that, well it would hardly be surprising if it went unnoticed before everyone had been exposed to some degree. People also need to drink and if that was the only water source... hey it didn't kill you.

The Kakama wrote:Maybe they did. It could be possible that Murtaugh went on his camping trip alone.
But if he didn't, then maybe you could only get affected by such exposure in a certain way. eg. it can only affect you if you had an open wound exposed to it. But if it were a waterfall which gets its energy from the beamers, then the waterfall should be dry when the beamers deactivate, and we don't know if the beamers were activated when Murtaugh went on his trip, unless there was a reservoir of the stuff.

I suppose. The main arguments against this theory really are:

• - How probable is it that such a thing went unnoticed?
  - If it was noticed why did Murtaugh write: "It wasn't a surprise to me when people started turning their backs on me, since I was considered to be a freak and mentally ill. Funny thing, I can't tell them the truth, it would be like explaining the possibility of space travel to a goldfish."?

I'm not saying I'm against it; only that it's an explanation that seems slightly improbable.

The Kakama wrote:The person who built the fountain probably also built the beamer structures, probably the architects. But as to where the green energy comes from, maybe there's some kind of power source in the beamers.

If the architects were the ones who built the beamers that is

Vortex wrote:But it raises one question, from where did the "karmic water" come in the first place?

It's probably a form of the disposal of the green energy.

Vortex wrote:About the background, I don't know, but it looks like the structures are replicating or something, there are many "pinnacles" and they all look the same.

There's something about those pinnacles that's almost haunting; it's as if they go on for eternity forming a wasteland through repetition....

The Abacus wrote:

Anteroinen wrote:Pray tell why? These new worlds had tangible applications. Whatever the method, we know that when the layer structure was found it was immediately exploited to create clever new types of architecture, and that is just one example of the many possibilities these worlds give. These worlds actually, demonstrably, existed. It wasn't as if a couple of people went insane. Further, if the energy got to the water supply through a crack like that, well it would hardly be surprising if it went unnoticed before everyone had been exposed to some degree. People also need to drink and if that was the only water source... hey it didn't kill you.

The Kakama wrote:Maybe they did. It could be possible that Murtaugh went on his camping trip alone.
But if he didn't, then maybe you could only get affected by such exposure in a certain way. eg. it can only affect you if you had an open wound exposed to it. But if it were a waterfall which gets its energy from the beamers, then the waterfall should be dry when the beamers deactivate, and we don't know if the beamers were activated when Murtaugh went on his trip, unless there was a reservoir of the stuff.

I suppose. The main arguments against this theory really are:

• - How probable is it that such a thing went unnoticed?
  - If it was noticed why did Murtaugh write: "It wasn't a surprise to me when people started turning their backs on me, since I was considered to be a freak and mentally ill. Funny thing, I can't tell them the truth, it would be like explaining the possibility of space travel to a goldfish."?

I'm not saying I'm against it; only that it's an explanation that seems slightly improbable.

Hmm, good points. Well, a small leak somewhere might not be noticed for a while if the effects are "mild" such as getting the ability to change layers – as in, at all, ever, not in a controlled manner like Murtaugh – that is only randomly activated by certain events (clearly mental if the navigators electrodes are anything to go by). Although what, I cannot really venture a guess. I am also not saying that the water was glowing green, there might have been a tiny amount you could not see if you just pour some to a glass. The connection between the funny green stuff and the layers wasn't necessarily drawn immediately, even if the effects were noticed right away.

If the exposure theory is true, then Murtaugh's is obviously much worse. How is this? Well, it isn't like everybody has to get exposed at the waterfall, the green liquid would be more diluted somewhere else. On his madness, I say that the ability gained from drinking the water had practical applications, but Murtaugh's abilities more or less spread him across the layers if I've understood them at all and this was something that although useful in one way is obviously not something most people can handle or even begin to understand. Probably nobody else got a more potent dose of the liquid because of Murtaugh either, since Murtaugh isn't necessarily an experiment gone well on that spectrum.

My random independent thoughts:
1) On the pic we see strange ruins. I think it is just feature of architecture of location. Uneven wall with uneven posts.
I doesn't think it is city. It is not more than shelter for scientists, as Winter Palace was.
2)This green liquid...
It was simple water, going from some underground source. Then beamer was placed here. We still don't know nature of this device, right? From what it is built, what is inside? I think something accidentally formed "leak" in the beamer, and something flowed from it, into water, and it slowly continues to flow.
Does it somehow change properties of water?..

Edit: Wow, now I should read what you are discussing about. :D
And to try to understand your thoughts.

I think Mur Karma Arm is just blue and he can actually absorb karma energy from any source. I still think that Mur absorbed that Wisdom Gem in Sub0 and used its energy to create the green karma portal in Liz's ship.

About the buildings: They seem to stay in perpetual balance even if they actually look unbalanced.

I also think all the stuff in the Layer 5 are machines desguised to look somewhat mystical. The wires found in Layer 5 in Sub8 gave me the idea.

Wow, first of all, it looks like it will be beautiful. I had my expectations for this game, of course I did, but I think this one picture has bettered them already. And they weren't low. Wow.

EDIT:

There's something about those pinnacles that's almost haunting; it's as if they go on for eternity forming a wasteland through repetition....

This.

I was replaying all of the main games, and I think I came with a theory. Liz and Mur are now trapped in a different kind of loop, a knot. Being kinda stuck, they start chatting. That's the source of the transcripts and the secret hub documents.

gil2455526 wrote:I was replaying all of the main games, and I think I came with a theory. Liz and Mur are now trapped in a different kind of loop, a knot. Being kinda stuck, they start chatting. That's the source of the transcripts and the secret hub documents.

Maybe...
Do we know notes from secret hub recorded Mur and Liz's conversations?

Sublevel 102 wrote:

gil2455526 wrote:I was replaying all of the main games, and I think I came with a theory. Liz and Mur are now trapped in a different kind of loop, a knot. Being kinda stuck, they start chatting. That's the source of the transcripts and the secret hub documents.

Maybe...
Do we know notes from secret hub recorded Mur and Liz's conversations?

I think so:

Forum posts#September 29, 2012 wrote:not quite.
Check out the intro dialogue between mur and liz.

EDIT: oh wait. I don't know about the secret hub notes.

Also I remembered something interesting:

Forum posts#September 30th, 2012, around 7:00 pm wrote:there's third option.
beamers open dimensions AND other things.
which they do.

the last beamer opened a direct connection from one location to the next within layer 5.

What will be the function of this Sub9 beamer?