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I think the big problem with theories on how to survive direct contact with a black hole is that we don't know that much about them yet. It's difficult to be right or wrong with conjecture as long as it operates within the boundaries we've observed.

Anteroinen wrote:Another reason, of course, was for debate purposes, to refute World's point (although not very solidly). We're drifting from his original point though, which is a shame, since he hasn't really done his point yet.

I think he may have been trying to imply that we figured it out with this post.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:YES! My work is finish!

Admittably I don't really know the difference between those two.

It's no big deal, they're just the "formal" way to name rotating (Kerr) and non-rotating (Sch.) black holes. It looks like scientists just like calling things with unpronounceable names XD

I think the big problem with theories on how to survive direct contact with a black hole is that we don't know that much about them yet. It's difficult to be right or wrong with conjecture as long as it operates within the boundaries we've observed.

That's my point. We can make predictions based on current theories, but we won't know if they match reality until we actually go there and start testing (or die trying ). And chances are we probably will never know.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:I logically thought out how it is possible to enter a Black Hole and live.

If it was impossible to enter a black hole and lived, what you be describing is a wall. If its a funnel its enter-able.

If you enter a black hole you would be stretch out like a noodle. Well...build a type of ship that can emit on the outside a reverse of the effect of a black hole so it can stabilizes you and the ship.

From there on it gets complicated, but it still possible.

I know you're just instantly going to tell me I need to *open my mind* and that I *have Borders* but it is not possible to enter a black hole and live. What a black hole basically is - Vortex, correct me if I'm wrong - is a star squeezed so flippin' hard that its gravitational pull is so strong that a physical body's velocity to escape it would have to be bigger than that of light in a vacuum. Which is sort of a roundabout way to say escaping it, when being close to the dark star/black hole/singularity/whateveryouwannacallit is impossible.
It's not a literal hole; it's an *infinitely* dense object.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:If it was impossible to enter a black hole and lived, what you be describing is a wall. If its a funnel its enter-able.

Aside from loathsome grammar errors, you wouldn't *describe it* as you have no way to perceive a black hole directly because all the light that usually makes you see things gets absorbed right up. Not to mention your body would be utterly destroyed.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:Well...build a type of ship that can emit on the outside a reverse of the effect of a black hole so it can stabilizes you and the ship.

Yeah, because that is totally possible.
You see, I know it's cool to think that you're totally devoid of constraints of your mind and think absolutely freely, not like anyone else in the world. But if entering a black hole and living would be possible, I'm sure some of the people at CERN or whatever - who are way more knowledgeable about the fact we all are - would come up with it already.
I'll top this one off by saying there are still people trying to create a perpetuum mobile or thinking about trisection of an angle.

Raxas wrote: I think he may have been trying to imply that we figured it out with this post.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:YES! My work is finish!

You be Correct my Good Sir.

If it was impossible to enter a black hole and lived, what you be describing is a wall. If its a funnel its enter-able.

Aside from loathsome grammar errors, you wouldn't *describe it* as you have no way to perceive a black hole directly because all the light that usually makes you see things gets absorbed right up. Not to mention your body would be utterly destroyed.
WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:

If it was impossible to enter a black hole and lived, what you be describing is a wall. If its a funnel its enter-able

Well Taalit said

Black holes are solid objects anyway.

When you try to enter a Wall, you end up getting a concision. Or if you are like Nightcrawler, you might end up stuck in a wall and die if you try to teleport, or enter a solid object.

Black holes aren't "infinitely dense", they just have a significant gravitational effect on light. They don't even have to be particularly massive, and it's quite possible that some astronomical object could orbit a black hole like we orbit the sun.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:

Raxas wrote: I think he may have been trying to imply that we figured it out with this post.

WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:YES! My work is finish!

You be Correct my Good Sir.

So it was the preconceptions thing? I agree with Raxas on this: one should try to get rid of as many preconceptions as possible, yet one has to recognize that he will always have them. Naturally one can gather accurate information with certain preconceptions as well. Things aren't usually all that absolute.

In some way, preconceptions are necessary to operate in your day to day life. I always assume that my friends are telling me the truth unless they say something spectacularly insane, but technically it is *possible* that they are lying to me. If you do not assume that hearsay about non-super important things is true, you really can't ever have a conversation, nor can you get any work done in any field.

Taalit wrote:In some way, preconceptions are necessary to operate in your day to day life. I always assume that my friends are telling me the truth unless they say something spectacularly insane, but technically it is *possible* that they are lying to me. If you do not assume that hearsay about non-super important things is true, you really can't ever have a conversation, nor can you get any work done in any field.

Precisely.

Taalit wrote:Black holes aren't "infinitely dense", they just have a significant gravitational effect on light. They don't even have to be particularly massive, and it's quite possible that some astronomical object could orbit a black hole like we orbit the sun.

The way I understand it so far, is that black holes are the result of gravitational forces overcoming all the forces keeping particles in separate areas of space, compressing them to a single point. General relativity doesn't play well with this idea, so the current holy grail- so to speak- is a theory that is as solid as general relativity but can also explain weird quantum shit like this. Yeah, though, black holes, according to the current theory (as I understand it) have zero volume, and therefore infinite density, without having infinite mass.

This comes from reading wikipedia, so feel free to dig deeper than me though. I may be an astronomy major, but I'm still in the Intro to Astronomy class, so hold on to your wieners kids, I'll figure this out in a couple years.

Oh yeah meditations.

Taalit wrote:In some way, preconceptions are necessary to operate in your day to day life. I always assume that my friends are telling me the truth unless they say something spectacularly insane, but technically it is *possible* that they are lying to me. If you do not assume that hearsay about non-super important things is true, you really can't ever have a conversation, nor can you get any work done in any field.

This is also a truth. Life is all about balance. Some yin-yang shit or whatever I dunno.
As far as good ways of thinking though, the counterpart to being open minded is skepticism. You should consider every idea you can, but you shouldn't accept them on the grounds of plausibility, and you should also be ready to strike them down if you detect the smell of baloney.
Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World" has a lot of good stuff about it. Worth a good read if you want to adopt a proper understanding of science and skepticism. I'm still reading it myself.

ie.(to quote a saying I read somewhere):
"Be open-minded, but not so open that your brains fall out."