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Re: Infernal basement v. Sub 10 basement.
Posted: 03 Oct 2017 13:35
by Augustus
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Re: Infernal basement v. Sub 10 basement.
Posted: 03 Oct 2017 14:04
by Vortex
Sundex wrote:Okay, I took a screenshot on the infernal basement and the sub 10 basement, and already noticed a similarity: they both have the 4 tile puzzle as some sort of an origin. Now, if you decided to layer these atop of each other, you would notice some more similarities: the red karma portal and the cyan karma portal are in the exact same coordinate room in both of these portions (2,-1). Not only that, but the position of the valve in norm basement and the rotating stone puzzle in infernal basement is the same as well (-1,0). Now this is a wild thought that completely contradicts a theory I made but are the normal basement and infernal basement on different layers?
EDIT: never mind. Just realized that if the infernal basement was on a different layer, there would probably be a red karma portal at the normal basement
You weren't wrong actually, in the HD version of Sub1 the last room (with the elevator, after the tile puzzle is completed) seems to be from the infernal basement, and a layer changing sound is heard right before it appears:
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so yeah
Re: Sundex's Theories
Posted: 03 Oct 2017 15:37
by Sundex
Okay! So what are your thoughts? What layer do you think the infernal basement is in?
Re: Sundex's Theories
Posted: 03 Oct 2017 15:44
by Vortex
Hmm, we have no way to know. I don't think Mateusz has even thought of assigning it a given layer number (we know he hasn't assigned layers for the new Sub10 locations because he told us in a comment), so any possibility is equally likely in principle.
Re: Sundex's Theories
Posted: 03 Oct 2017 16:35
by Sundex
With the logic of symbolism, I would assume layer 6, but I don't know. 6 is the devil's number, but I don't think mateusz would take implementing religions to that extreme
Re: Sundex's Theories
Posted: 03 Oct 2017 16:57
by Vortex
Symbolism is not a strong argument so I wouldn't give it much credibility, but I guess it could be.
Sundex wrote:6 is the devil's number, but I don't think mateusz would take implementing religions to that extreme
Have you visited 666 in Subverse?
Re: Sundex's Theories
Posted: 03 Oct 2017 17:28
by Sundex
Vortex wrote:Symbolism is not a strong argument so I wouldn't give it much credibility, but I guess it could be.
Sundex wrote:6 is the devil's number, but I don't think mateusz would take implementing religions to that extreme
Have you visited 666 in Subverse?
Yeah. Same texture as the infernal basement
Re: Sundex's Theories
Posted: 03 Oct 2017 18:52
by Jatsko
I don't think there's any credible way to know what layer the infernal basement is in at this point.
That being said I 90% support the idea that it's an alternate layer to the regular basement.
Re: Sundex's Theories
Posted: 03 Oct 2017 19:00
by Sundex
Apocrypha wrote:I don't think there's any credible way to know what layer the infernal basement is in at this point.
That being said I 90% support the idea that it's an alternate layer to the regular basement.
Yay. We officially have another phenomenon that we will not figure out for a long time.
By the way, did you check out my 3rd theory?
Re: Sundex's Theories
Posted: 03 Oct 2017 19:25
by Vortex
Sundex wrote:Yay. We officially have another phenomenon that we will not figure out for a long time.
It's normal for that to happen, we have limited information after all.
Anyways, the specific layer number doesn't have much relevance (it wouldn't affect anything else in the games if it were layer 4 instead of layer 2, for example), so it's not likely Mateusz will weigh in on that in the future. Questions that have a potentially bigger impact in what we know about the Submachine also have a greater chance of being answered eventually, so they are generally better for making theories.