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If so, then the Coordinate Portal can also transport us through layers, causing the Navigator to be somewhat obsolete...

if you think about it the portal can take you to only 1000 locations if you use all the possible coordinates, if the subnet is as big as we think, only 1000 locations can be considered obsolete

ElodinTheArcane wrote:

If so, then the Coordinate Portal can also transport us through layers, causing the Navigator to be somewhat obsolete...

if you think about it the portal can take you to only 1000 locations if you use all the possible coordinates, if the subnet is as big as we think, only 1000 locations can be considered obsolete

True... perhaps there is a network of portals, each one linked to a specific subset of locations? Like with Sub4-Sub5 Lab portals, they had assigned 001 to different locations inside the Lab.

MateuszSkutnik wrote:no, it's the same item. just named differently.
We learned the ancient name, the wisdom gem as ancient people did not have the vocabulary nor knowledge to name it more properly.
The name energy gem obviously comes from later, more technologically advanced epoch.
technology demistifies a lot that's been attributed to magic or gods.
same here.

With all the things we saw in Sub9, I'm no longer sure how this can make any sence.

ENIHCAMBUS wrote:

MateuszSkutnik wrote:no, it's the same item. just named differently.
We learned the ancient name, the wisdom gem as ancient people did not have the vocabulary nor knowledge to name it more properly.
The name energy gem obviously comes from later, more technologically advanced epoch.
technology demistifies a lot that's been attributed to magic or gods.
same here.

With all the things we saw in Sub9, I'm no longer sure how this can make any sence.

Actually, are Mateusz's forum posts canon or not? Some of the 2007 forum posts, archived in the wiki, are obsolete, if not proven false.

Good point, but I think we can assume they're true unless proven otherwise.
Besides, we don't see any differences in their function and appearances in the submachine.

I think they count as canon. Of course if some of the posts contradict themselves, the latest one prevails. But for example, Mateusz himself said that he reads his posts there to make sure he doesn't get something wrong when making new games, so it's obvious that he regards his posts as canon.

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ENIHCAMBUS wrote:With all the things we saw in Sub9, I'm no longer sure how this can make any sence.

why not?

ENIHCAMBUS wrote:

MateuszSkutnik wrote:no, it's the same item. just named differently.
We learned the ancient name, the wisdom gem as ancient people did not have the vocabulary nor knowledge to name it more properly.
The name energy gem obviously comes from later, more technologically advanced epoch.
technology demistifies a lot that's been attributed to magic or gods.
same here.

With all the things we saw in Sub9, I'm no longer sure how this can make any sence.

I think it kinda does.
If the term comes from a more technologically advanced culture, then you're indeed giving something "unexplainable" an explanation - because it has no relation to divine sources or anything. Take a look at lightning and thunder, back at ol' Greece. Nowadays we know it's pure SCIENCE!, but that's because we've proven that it's indeed SCIENCE! and not some divine, unreachable interpretation of the event.

But that's because we've advanced to the point we could understand that. A sweet spot in our knowledge; an RPG level that unlocks the true wisdom about the nature of such things; or whatever comparison you'd like to make. At that, the SCIENCE! is proving something isn't divine, because it never was. It was merely an interpretation from an ancient culture.

But then the SCIENCE! goes down the drain when you find something that is actually divine. It's mind-blowing, because you cannot disprove something that has always been divine. This may not even be the case here - who knows, maybe all that happened in Sub9 can be explained by SCIENCE! as well... but we're not technologically advanced enough to understand it.

Humanity back at 1600 had much more knowledge than, say, year 600. Technologies were much better; we had advanced a lot by then. HOWEVER, if we look back at 1600 right now, they're simply fools compared to what we know today - because we've advanced even more in the field of technologies. And I'll be darned if technologies at year 2600 or 3600 haven't developed enough to deem us, living in the 2010's, "fools" by THEIR standards. Because we, right now, may not be able to explain things that people, several hundreds of years from now on, will be able to explain.

Same thing is going on at Sub9. Either it's really something divine, in which case SCIENCE! simply cannot interfere with, or it's something so advanced and strange that we may not be able to understand JUST YET. But maybe, thousands of years from now on, people will know what was going on.

In this case, we're merely playing the role of the least technologically-advanced culture. All's a matter of perspective.

ENIHCAMBUS wrote:

MateuszSkutnik wrote:no, it's the same item. just named differently.
We learned the ancient name, the wisdom gem as ancient people did not have the vocabulary nor knowledge to name it more properly.
The name energy gem obviously comes from later, more technologically advanced epoch.
technology demistifies a lot that's been attributed to magic or gods.
same here.

With all the things we saw in Sub9, I'm no longer sure how this can make any sence.

First assignment (@ laboratory) wrote:
First assignment:

- retrieve three so-called "wisdom gems", lost in the subnet over the years. Those artifacts, engineered in the first sub-era by unknown manufacturer are the only approvable energy source for the machine situated in the corridor location. This location can be accessed by 7-4-7 code.

Mail from Murtaugh (@ laboratory) wrote:
Hi there.

Did you sleep well?

I've got an assignment for you.

You seem to be the best man for this job since your training involved dealing with wisdom crystals. Murtaugh

Crystals and gems are usually used synonymously with each other by those who don't know the specifics. Mur doesn't seem that type.

But what WIQ is trying to point out is actually right, and goes with what Mateusz said:

"retrieve three so-called "wisdom gems", lost in the subnet over the years"
When Mur said "so-called", he is referring to the energy crystals (wisdom gems) as what they were called in the past. When he later refers to them as "wisdom crystals", it's a more technical term (As the word "crystal" is far more definitive than "gem" as a descriptor; like how the general "bug" covers a whole lot of animals, while the term "insect" covers a specific type.).

Right WIQ?

EDIT: Mur goes from calling them "Wisdom Gems" to "Wisdom Crystals". Now, it's established somewhat that the messages from Mur and Liz follow a certain timeline of sorts. Maybe the progression of Mur's usage of the terms used to refer to the "Wisdom/Energy/KarmaEnergy Gems/Crystals/WHATEVER" reflect his progression towards his full "enlightenment". I don't know how to put it in words exactly... Do any of you get what I mean by this, at all?

Yep, you got it.