Meditations

[WorldisQuiet5256]

Got you. I will set my Typing to "Human" when I type.

What did you think of my responses? The report I mean.

Truth be told, since I wasn't being graded on this, i let my mind more "Free" when I type. I just forgot the people like you on the other line was also human such as my Teacher.

[Rooster5man]

You don't have to "set your typing to human," I'm only asking you be mindful of what we're telling you. You don't have to change the way you speak if you don't want to, but "free your mind" to the way we others think.

I think you should always write like that - At least, I do. You don't have to feel trapped to write "human" - The way you wrote that essay was beautiful, you show the skills of a true writer, getting into the reader's heart and mind. I haven't read "Heart of Darkness," but having read Poe (and that short story, "The Cask of Amontillado," albeit 3 years ago), I can somewhat see what you're saying.

Just know that not all of mankind are the same, as much as you'd like to think so. Yes, it's a sad truth that it can be a cruel world, but there are free thinkers out there - How else would mankind have progressed? There are people who have "opened their minds."

[Anteroinen]

Let me see if a I got this correctly: the Truth is that the destructive, primal urges and desires of men, emerging as behaviours such as violence and anger, are embedded deep inside our very being, always denied yet never truly forsaken, always hindering our noblest efforts? The boards are preconceptions, stemming from these primal urges as fear, all to be cast aside. The floor is the acknowledgement of these preconceptions that have been cast aside so that they would never return.

[WorldisQuiet5256]

Let me see if a I got this correctly: the Truth is that the destructive, primal urges and desires of men, emerging as behaviours such as violence and anger, are embedded deep inside our very being, always denied yet never truly forsaken, always hindering our noblest efforts? The boards are preconceptions, stemming from these primal urges as fear, all to be cast aside. The floor is the acknowledgement of these preconceptions that have been cast aside so that they would never return.

That what you perceive the Truth as. If you haven't freed yourself of Bias, the truth of what most people see as "Darkness" is something much more than that.

The Floor is the Base, what keep you from falling into insanity. A different kind of Border. Except its not a dislike, or a bias thought, but facts them self. Like when you walk into a wall, you will know it will hurt if you do that.

What you see as "destructive, primal urges and desires of men, emerging as behaviours such as violence and anger, are embedded deep inside our very being" I see as what we were from our beginning. Our Origins.

[Anteroinen]

Let me see if a I got this correctly: the Truth is that the destructive, primal urges and desires of men, emerging as behaviours such as violence and anger, are embedded deep inside our very being, always denied yet never truly forsaken, always hindering our noblest efforts? The boards are preconceptions, stemming from these primal urges as fear, all to be cast aside. The floor is the acknowledgement of these preconceptions that have been cast aside so that they would never return.

That what you perceive the Truth as. If you haven't freed yourself of Bias, the truth of what most people see as "Darkness" is something much more than that.

That's what I got from your text. Could you expand on this?

The Floor is the Base, what keep you from falling into insanity. A different kind of Border. Except its not a dislike, or a bias thought, but facts them self. Like when you walk into a wall, you will know it will hurt if you do that.

Fair enough, but what do you mean by saying that you build the floor with your boards then?

What you see as "destructive, primal urges and desires of men, emerging as behaviours such as violence and anger, are embedded deep inside our very being" I see as what we were from our beginning. Our Origins.

I think those are our origins as well, it's why I used the word "primal". Perhaps a better question is in what is our view of those origins, positive or negative?

[WorldisQuiet5256]

Fair enough, but what do you mean by saying that you build the floor with your boards then?

By taking the borders, like the ones that keep you from seeing a movie, because it has some religious things you don't like. Or something that you don't believe, because it is kept out of your mind because of some thought that prevent you from believing it.

With the Floor, I can have a base to stand on, then explore all the Concepts, Possibility, and Realms that yet to be found.

I think those are our origins as well, it's why I used the word "primal". Perhaps a better question is in what is our view of those origins, positive or negative?

That's what I got from your text. Could you expand on this?

That the part that gets tricky. It like that movie "Altered States". He found a way to get back to the Origin of the Human Race. The unevolved one. The truth I know is something like that, except I can keep it together.

[WorldisQuiet5256]

Hello?

[Rooster5man]

Fair enough, but what do you mean by saying that you build the floor with your boards then?

By taking the borders, like the ones that keep you from seeing a movie, because it has some religious things you don't like. Or something that you don't believe, because it is kept out of your mind because of some thought that prevent you from believing it.

With the Floor, I can have a base to stand on, then explore all the Concepts, Possibility, and Realms that yet to be found.

Free thinkers all have this "floor," we don't put up borders or mental blocks. How else can we clearly see the answer?

Remove the stereotypes you have for the human race and you will see we don't reflect the views you portray us to be.

[WorldisQuiet5256]

Free thinkers all have this "floor," we don't put up borders or mental blocks. How else can we clearly see the answer?

Remove the stereotypes you have for the human race and you will see we don't reflect the views you portray us to be.

Again, not stereotyping. We all have something holding us back about something or something else.
That the part where I get stuck for you. Since I don't know every aspect of your life. Because of each person who has something that holds us back. For me, it used to be my depression of the negative in the World.

I will tell you when you learn the Truth base on your post, that the only thing I got to work with.

[Redafro]

How do you personally distinguish a bias from "facts themselves?" How do you confirm them?

I would argue that the vision we can all share to some degree is rationality inspired by observations and corroboration. The main "code" of that is clear statements and the avoiding of fallacious arguments. That is how we expand and join our vision onto the broad canon of truth.

Your article is interesting, but unclear. Are you saying something like "I know we come from a violent nature, but I hold that together with our modern morality?" That is good, but you make it sound like some epic feet, which that is not necessarily.

I agree it is good to not have boarders to block your vision when investigating beliefs and imaging new possibilities, and if your "floor" is that which has been confirmed by reason, observation, and corroboration, that is a good floor. The thing is, again, this is no different then what most of us believe in. So why do you act as if it is so mystical and epic, as if you alone among humanity has this vision? That seems a very arrogant position to take and very loaded with the bias that you alone have this vision.

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I will tell you when you learn the Truth base on your post, that the only thing I got to work with.

Again, this has the appearance of sheer arrogance. Your not answering his question, your just saying something like "when you understand, I'll explain it." WTF??? I'm sorry, but you've got to stop that mystical stuff and try a little harder. If you truly do have nothing else "to work with," I question your whole system. Rooster, it seems to me, went straight to the point, even as I've tried to do: you keep assuming you have some unique and special perspective and shroud all your statements in mysticism, when in fact you have the same position most people aim at, though we all tend to fall short. Your seemingly arrogant statements seem to me an evidence that you have your bias too: in that you assume we don't share your vision.

Edit 2: the above is all assuming I am right in my understanding of your position: removal of all bias and standing on rationality, observation, and corroboration alone. I still believe removal of all bias is impossible for all mankind, limited as we are.