Meditations
Re: Meditations
Nah, it was more about the part where Raxas said how "this conversation can't go any further than 'you're dumb' 'no you're dumb'" to which WiQ responded with swearwords lol
TT: I guess one could use those words to describe it.
TT: If armed with a predilection for the inapt.
TT: If armed with a predilection for the inapt.
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The Abacus
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Re: Meditations
Let us not start swearing.Asshole. That what you looking for, Asshole?
Agreed, this argument is getting out of hand.It is probably best that we abandon this line of discussion
Materialism?Any ideas? I got nothing.
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The Kakama
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Re: Meditations
I'm attempting to stop everyone from metaphorically rolling up their sleeves and start throwing chairs at each other, but we can only see what World says.
Is this my final form?
Re: Meditations
Yeah, I appreciate what you've said Kakama. I think I might have pushed a little to hard, for which I apologize. I think we are all puzzle solvers here, problem fixers and trouble shooters. So, WorldIsQuiet, when you dangle an argument in front of us like this but never let us get our hands on it, we get frustrated. And then when you say that by dangling the problem you are trying to get us to free our minds, well that is definitely offensive and could even be called manipulative. Me, I think I probably tried to manipulate you to get you to turn it over, for which again I apologize.
I like what Vortex said as well. I don't think your insane, I think you are have a particular way of looking at things that makes you feel happy or insightful, but that for some reason you will not stand behind and defend the particulars of that belief. I think you should. If your method brings you so much Truth, then lets take a look at it together. Sharing your ideas in clear distinct ways, or if you are unable, then answering our questions, is how you can test your beliefs for consistency. How long did I spend discussing Christianity with Anteroinen? That was a huge discussion and I ended up changing some of my beliefs for the better, and others I'm still working on how to defend or whether to. I consider that a good thing, and well worth the effort. If you are so humble that you know you can't confirm absolute truths, and thus reject them, then apply that to yourself and realize you can't confirm that you beliefs can truly bring you to the Truth. Once you've done this, you can discuss and think them through from other perspectives and create an even more robust belief. That is what I'm offering here at least.
I'm not interested in breaking your beliefs, I'm interested in learning from them and improving them anywhere they are weak. My position is that so long as a belief is consistent with reason and objective observations, and so long as it harms no one, it is well worth experimentally believing to see if it brings you life and peace. But we are all biased because we all believe something, even if it is the belief that we have no boundaries. Beliefs are biases, and so long as we acknowledge that it can only help us.
So this is the last time I'm going to try to draw you out... well, at least for a while. If you ignore this or give a flippant response, I'm personally done for now. So ball is in your court dude. If I didn't respect you, I wouldn't be trying.
I like what Vortex said as well. I don't think your insane, I think you are have a particular way of looking at things that makes you feel happy or insightful, but that for some reason you will not stand behind and defend the particulars of that belief. I think you should. If your method brings you so much Truth, then lets take a look at it together. Sharing your ideas in clear distinct ways, or if you are unable, then answering our questions, is how you can test your beliefs for consistency. How long did I spend discussing Christianity with Anteroinen? That was a huge discussion and I ended up changing some of my beliefs for the better, and others I'm still working on how to defend or whether to. I consider that a good thing, and well worth the effort. If you are so humble that you know you can't confirm absolute truths, and thus reject them, then apply that to yourself and realize you can't confirm that you beliefs can truly bring you to the Truth. Once you've done this, you can discuss and think them through from other perspectives and create an even more robust belief. That is what I'm offering here at least.
I'm not interested in breaking your beliefs, I'm interested in learning from them and improving them anywhere they are weak. My position is that so long as a belief is consistent with reason and objective observations, and so long as it harms no one, it is well worth experimentally believing to see if it brings you life and peace. But we are all biased because we all believe something, even if it is the belief that we have no boundaries. Beliefs are biases, and so long as we acknowledge that it can only help us.
So this is the last time I'm going to try to draw you out... well, at least for a while. If you ignore this or give a flippant response, I'm personally done for now. So ball is in your court dude. If I didn't respect you, I wouldn't be trying.
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WorldisQuiet5256
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Re: Meditations
Sometimes I don't respond right away due to me thinking about what you said.
What I just pasted was a copy of a report for a Class I am attending. But this Paper still has relationship to the Truth I'm trying to explain.
Paper about Settings in terms of Origins.
By WorldisQuiet5256
The setting which most people would have gone into denial rather than admit the truth that lies inside the pages of the books we read, such as in Heart of Darkness, Cask of the Amontillado, show the proof that even though we, a complicated people we are today, still originate from a beginning that has Darkness that wounds innocents souls of the world today.
The origins of human kind cannot be described in ways of how we once lived, or how we once act, but where we lived in the beginning of our times. The setting in the Heart of Darkness show that if we were to return to our true home, our true origins, we would be transform into what those who have yet to can see as Insanity. When the famous Kurt’s went into the Congo Jungle on a mission for the Company to retrieve a sources for which ivory can be acquired to mass produce into Piano Keys. But when he spent his journey trying to make it to the center outpost station, he encounters something the other with him was blind to see. He saw the truth of which none can describe, not because no one will, but because the lack of words of the human that can languages accurately describe them. The only word that can partially describe it so it coherent our mind is Darkness.
Kurt on his continual journey he learns more about this truth. This truth which he learns could only be understood in the Human mind. When he reaches his destination he starts to localize with the Natives in order to find learn more about that truth. He does things such as taking the heads of the natives and putting them on poles just outside the Outpost. The majority of people would want an explanation as to why he did that. The truth is he had none, at least none that could be understood in words.
The Jungles, which represent the origins of Earth, not commercial, not social, not at all touch by the people who abandon the Origins. But when you send people in to try to plow its earth, drink its wine. A majority of the people would be lost to insanity when revealed the truth that they denied since they were born. But few such as Kurt’s and his Savoir were more “free” than most who work for the Company, they were looking for adventure. But adventure means more than hurtling over cliffs, dodging poisons arrows, it openness in the mind of those who seek more than what seen on the horizon. Kurt’s and his Savoir knew that, despite their mission for going out into the Jungle in the first place. Kurt, knowing that he was soon to die, deiced he would die with his ancestors, the ones who lived in the Origins. But the company, seeing it reputation on the line because a famous man would not leave his calling for the general public and his adoring fans sent Kurt savoir to bring him back. But his savoir would do more than what the company except due to their own truth was hanging in the balances. Kurt gave his savoir two piles of paper, one to give to his love one which he was denied, and the other, to the general public. The truth he releases into the general public about the Company harmful works, gave a similar truth that the Jungle reveals to those who listen.
That same truth come in the Setting of Edgar Allen Poe’s story “The cast of the Amontillado” showed that no matter how complex’s our generation and the generation after us can become, that generation can still fall back into the origins most call the Darkness. What some see as the darkness, is only perceiving that as darkness because they refuse to admit that it is not darkness, but origins. When Montresor plan to bring the downfall of Fortunato he does it in the way that shows the primal instinct of the Human origins. He uses the wits and schemes of the Modern worlds, such as reverse psychology, weakness expelled, he still commit the deed that can only appear to those who yet to learn the truth as Insanity.
When the festival arrive in town, all of the people including Fortunato are drunk beyond comprehending, Montresor tells Fortunato he has acquired a cast of rare wine know as Amontillado, but he has his doubts that he might have been devices into buying a fake. He “asks” Fortunato to help taste it to see if it was real. Fortunato, taking Montresor arm leads him to his house. When Montresor takes Fortunato into his wine cellar, he tried to exploit weakness in Fortunato to that he could not withstand the coldness of the cellar. Fortunato seeing this as a weakness that would collapse his “Reputation” objects to the cough and continues into the cellar. When Montresor leads Fortunato past the wine and deeper into the catacombs which he reveals his family crypt, the piles of bones and skulls lay out along the wall. But one group is taken down and shows a crevasse built into the wall. Montresor taking Fortunato to the “Amontillado” chains him to the inside of the of that crevasse and beginning his work. He takes from a pile of brick he left there earlier, he bricks up the front of the crevasse.
He does each layer carefully so that it does not reveal the crevasse in the wall. But as he finish each layer Fortunato starts to realize what is happening. Several times Montresor has to stop due to that Fortunato had quieted. Several times Fortunato screams in hope of someone hearing his cries. But Montresor screams after each time Fortunato does to break the echo. Fortunato in attept to escape his fate talk to Montresor. He said "Ha! ha! ha! -- he! he! -- a very good joke indeed -- an excellent jest. We will have many a rich laugh about it at the palazzo -- he! he! he! -- over our wine -- he! he! he!" "The Amontillado!" Montresor said. "He! he! he! -- he! he! he! -- yes, the Amontillado . But is it not getting late? Will not they be awaiting us at the palazzo, the Lady Fortunato and the rest? Let us be gone." "Yes," Montresor said "let us be gone." In that moment those two men ventured into what can only be perceived as the origin so many has lived in denial of its existences.
Fortunato, realizing he has lost crie his final plead “"FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MONTRESOR!" "Yes," Montresor said, "for the love of God!" For that brief moment after that talk Fortunato went beyond the boundaries that kept him sane through his final experiences. Montresor, not realsing what happen recounts “But to these words I hearkened in vain for a reply. I grew impatient. I called aloud –"Fortunato!"
No answer. I called again -- "Fortunato!" No answer still. I thrust a torch through the remaining aperture and let it fall within. There came forth in return only a jingling of the bells. My heart grew sick -- on account of the dampness of the catacombs. I hastened to make an end of my labour. I forced the last stone into its position; I plastered it up. Against the new masonry I reerected the old rampart of bones. For the half of a century no mortal has disturbed them.
In pace requiescat!”
In that final moment, Montresor realizing what has happen moved quickly to get away from the Truth he wish to continue denying, seeing that Fortunato has cross back into the origin that drove Montresor to commit the murder. Knowing that the truth might finally reveal to him, finish his work in hast and left the Catacombs for the last time.
Today world, most setting that reveal the origins of mankind can only be interpret by those who have yet to be free see this as evil, not like the devil, or the sins of hell, but of denial that they came from people who commit these acts on a daily basis. These setting, writing by those who have seen the truth, tell secret that cannot be interpret due to those who have long forgotten the words that can speak it. The setting shown can only give a glimpse into the truth, but it can only be fully understood by those who have free their minds. To other who haven’t can only see what the interpret as “Darkness".
What I just pasted was a copy of a report for a Class I am attending. But this Paper still has relationship to the Truth I'm trying to explain.
Paper about Settings in terms of Origins.
By WorldisQuiet5256
The setting which most people would have gone into denial rather than admit the truth that lies inside the pages of the books we read, such as in Heart of Darkness, Cask of the Amontillado, show the proof that even though we, a complicated people we are today, still originate from a beginning that has Darkness that wounds innocents souls of the world today.
The origins of human kind cannot be described in ways of how we once lived, or how we once act, but where we lived in the beginning of our times. The setting in the Heart of Darkness show that if we were to return to our true home, our true origins, we would be transform into what those who have yet to can see as Insanity. When the famous Kurt’s went into the Congo Jungle on a mission for the Company to retrieve a sources for which ivory can be acquired to mass produce into Piano Keys. But when he spent his journey trying to make it to the center outpost station, he encounters something the other with him was blind to see. He saw the truth of which none can describe, not because no one will, but because the lack of words of the human that can languages accurately describe them. The only word that can partially describe it so it coherent our mind is Darkness.
Kurt on his continual journey he learns more about this truth. This truth which he learns could only be understood in the Human mind. When he reaches his destination he starts to localize with the Natives in order to find learn more about that truth. He does things such as taking the heads of the natives and putting them on poles just outside the Outpost. The majority of people would want an explanation as to why he did that. The truth is he had none, at least none that could be understood in words.
The Jungles, which represent the origins of Earth, not commercial, not social, not at all touch by the people who abandon the Origins. But when you send people in to try to plow its earth, drink its wine. A majority of the people would be lost to insanity when revealed the truth that they denied since they were born. But few such as Kurt’s and his Savoir were more “free” than most who work for the Company, they were looking for adventure. But adventure means more than hurtling over cliffs, dodging poisons arrows, it openness in the mind of those who seek more than what seen on the horizon. Kurt’s and his Savoir knew that, despite their mission for going out into the Jungle in the first place. Kurt, knowing that he was soon to die, deiced he would die with his ancestors, the ones who lived in the Origins. But the company, seeing it reputation on the line because a famous man would not leave his calling for the general public and his adoring fans sent Kurt savoir to bring him back. But his savoir would do more than what the company except due to their own truth was hanging in the balances. Kurt gave his savoir two piles of paper, one to give to his love one which he was denied, and the other, to the general public. The truth he releases into the general public about the Company harmful works, gave a similar truth that the Jungle reveals to those who listen.
That same truth come in the Setting of Edgar Allen Poe’s story “The cast of the Amontillado” showed that no matter how complex’s our generation and the generation after us can become, that generation can still fall back into the origins most call the Darkness. What some see as the darkness, is only perceiving that as darkness because they refuse to admit that it is not darkness, but origins. When Montresor plan to bring the downfall of Fortunato he does it in the way that shows the primal instinct of the Human origins. He uses the wits and schemes of the Modern worlds, such as reverse psychology, weakness expelled, he still commit the deed that can only appear to those who yet to learn the truth as Insanity.
When the festival arrive in town, all of the people including Fortunato are drunk beyond comprehending, Montresor tells Fortunato he has acquired a cast of rare wine know as Amontillado, but he has his doubts that he might have been devices into buying a fake. He “asks” Fortunato to help taste it to see if it was real. Fortunato, taking Montresor arm leads him to his house. When Montresor takes Fortunato into his wine cellar, he tried to exploit weakness in Fortunato to that he could not withstand the coldness of the cellar. Fortunato seeing this as a weakness that would collapse his “Reputation” objects to the cough and continues into the cellar. When Montresor leads Fortunato past the wine and deeper into the catacombs which he reveals his family crypt, the piles of bones and skulls lay out along the wall. But one group is taken down and shows a crevasse built into the wall. Montresor taking Fortunato to the “Amontillado” chains him to the inside of the of that crevasse and beginning his work. He takes from a pile of brick he left there earlier, he bricks up the front of the crevasse.
He does each layer carefully so that it does not reveal the crevasse in the wall. But as he finish each layer Fortunato starts to realize what is happening. Several times Montresor has to stop due to that Fortunato had quieted. Several times Fortunato screams in hope of someone hearing his cries. But Montresor screams after each time Fortunato does to break the echo. Fortunato in attept to escape his fate talk to Montresor. He said "Ha! ha! ha! -- he! he! -- a very good joke indeed -- an excellent jest. We will have many a rich laugh about it at the palazzo -- he! he! he! -- over our wine -- he! he! he!" "The Amontillado!" Montresor said. "He! he! he! -- he! he! he! -- yes, the Amontillado . But is it not getting late? Will not they be awaiting us at the palazzo, the Lady Fortunato and the rest? Let us be gone." "Yes," Montresor said "let us be gone." In that moment those two men ventured into what can only be perceived as the origin so many has lived in denial of its existences.
Fortunato, realizing he has lost crie his final plead “"FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MONTRESOR!" "Yes," Montresor said, "for the love of God!" For that brief moment after that talk Fortunato went beyond the boundaries that kept him sane through his final experiences. Montresor, not realsing what happen recounts “But to these words I hearkened in vain for a reply. I grew impatient. I called aloud –"Fortunato!"
No answer. I called again -- "Fortunato!" No answer still. I thrust a torch through the remaining aperture and let it fall within. There came forth in return only a jingling of the bells. My heart grew sick -- on account of the dampness of the catacombs. I hastened to make an end of my labour. I forced the last stone into its position; I plastered it up. Against the new masonry I reerected the old rampart of bones. For the half of a century no mortal has disturbed them.
In pace requiescat!”
In that final moment, Montresor realizing what has happen moved quickly to get away from the Truth he wish to continue denying, seeing that Fortunato has cross back into the origin that drove Montresor to commit the murder. Knowing that the truth might finally reveal to him, finish his work in hast and left the Catacombs for the last time.
Today world, most setting that reveal the origins of mankind can only be interpret by those who have yet to be free see this as evil, not like the devil, or the sins of hell, but of denial that they came from people who commit these acts on a daily basis. These setting, writing by those who have seen the truth, tell secret that cannot be interpret due to those who have long forgotten the words that can speak it. The setting shown can only give a glimpse into the truth, but it can only be fully understood by those who have free their minds. To other who haven’t can only see what the interpret as “Darkness".
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WorldisQuiet5256
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Re: Meditations
When I post "O Ye of Little Vision" it has a code written in it. If you understood the Truth as I do, it would make more sense to you.
For example.
http://pastelportal.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=190
You guys were talking about smell in your Dream. I just posted in short I had a Dream were I smell Turky.
When I posted "O Ye of Little Vision" it was completly free of Bias. But since you Mind is yet to be free of Bias, you misunderstood it. I meant by that, "Open you eyes wider, free your Mind to understood what I meant". In short, I meant "you eyes are not open all the way."
For example.
http://pastelportal.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=190
You guys were talking about smell in your Dream. I just posted in short I had a Dream were I smell Turky.
When I posted "O Ye of Little Vision" it was completly free of Bias. But since you Mind is yet to be free of Bias, you misunderstood it. I meant by that, "Open you eyes wider, free your Mind to understood what I meant". In short, I meant "you eyes are not open all the way."
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Rooster5man
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Re: Meditations
(Randomly comes in) Or you could say "I smell Turkey in my dream(s)." Incomplete sentences have us wondering what you mean, we're not mind readers.
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WorldisQuiet5256
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Isobel The Sorceress
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Re: Meditations
Please stop acting like you know what and how other people think. You don't. You're not a mind reader.When I posted "O Ye of Little Vision" it was completly free of Bias. But since you Mind is yet to be free of Bias, you misunderstood it. I meant by that, "Open you eyes wider, free your Mind to understood what I meant". In short, I meant "you eyes are not open all the way."
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Rooster5man
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Re: Meditations
We're not trying to hurt you, WorldIsQuiet5256, we're sincerely trying to help you understand. We're human, we have faults, and we work upon these faults to better ourselves. I find it extremely annoying that you answered me with "kay," it's really disheartening. If you want us to understand you, you have to understand us as well, that's part of life. Try to work with us at least, there's no harm, we're not going to attack you for trying.