Submachine 10 and beyond Theories and Suggestions

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WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:
MateuszSkutnik wrote:really? PC in your mind is a computer from 1980s?...

you're not making any sense dude. this discussion is pointless I'm afraid.
A laptop is a single unit.
A PC is a combination of several units.
A Monitor, a Computer Box, and A Keyboard. All separate unites.
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Mateusz was referring to the functionality of laptop, which is basically the same thing and can do the same things as personal desktop computer (or PC).

And yet if your laptop doesn't have spaces to use Steam, then you used up its capacity. You can clean out its spaces to make room for Steam AND its applications.
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Oh, The original image I was going to use first was from Mateusz Desktop. But I could not find one.

Also, PC stands for Personal Computer.
I use to use my Mother PC, and now she needs to replace it due to it being acinet and it being infected by a computer virus.
I use to use my Father PC, which was a great one.
But now I use my laptop. Which is has a Window 7 operating System, and I was able to get it paid by the state of Michigan by the way.
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Enough about that... It is beyond theme of this thread...
There is no any problem. We solved it.

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Any good new discussions about last game in main series?
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Sublevel 102 wrote:Any good new discussions about last game in main series?
I was trying to make one in the last page...
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Well in that case, I'll try to start a relevant discussion. I've noticed that on this thread and some of the others, people seem to believe that Murtaugh is dead. However, I don't think he ever died. As the second secret in Sub9 states:
"(The eighth layer) is the layer of light. When you move through the field of atoms frozen in time, the friction causes them to emit visible light."
From this, we know that in the eighth layer, time does not pass. As another secret from Sub9 says:
"Murtaugh was already dying, and just before he drew his last breath, the light came to him and showed him what was to come. We believe he stayed in this moment forever.
The light came to him because it was the light of the eighth layer. His followers did not understand this layer, so when he disappeared, they believed he had died. However, their belief that he stayed in that moment forever is correct because he still exists with Elizabeth in the layer of light. The tomb-builders even said:
They remain together in the light of Shiva.
When they built the tombs, it was not for the bodies, but rather for the idea of their passing. Murtaugh and Elizabeth had left that dimension, and so, for all intents and purposes, were dead to the world.
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Hmm, it makes sense. But there are mummified bodies inside the tombs, so if they are not Mur and Liz then who could they be?
Another possibility in line with your theory is that he left his body and his mind passed to the eighth layer. Then we might find him after all... Mateusz likes this kind of plot twists, judging from previous games :D
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They are probably are the bodies of Murtuagh and Elizabeth.
Its just their 7 main layer counterparts.

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Welcome DoctorMartian!
DoctorMartian wrote:I've noticed that on this thread and some of the others, people seem to believe that Murtaugh is dead. However, I don't think he ever died.
Well, that's definitely one interpretation: one that I shouldn't have dismissed so quickly...
Vortex wrote:But there are mummified bodies inside the tombs, so if they are not Mur and Liz then who could they be?
If we assume that Mur and Liz are still alive and the tombs were for the "idea of their passing," then the presence of the sarcophagus and the (mummified) bodies is purely symbolic. This would mean that the bodies could be those of any random people or the bandages are simply filled with something and moulded into the form of a human being. The only thing that I can find against this is that the sarcophagus is already there and would be sufficient to fulfill its symbolic function.
WiQ wrote:Its just their 7 main layer counterparts.
Mateusz said that there is (was?) only one Murtaugh, Elizabeth and most likely every other human being (and living thing?). The seven layers are not strictly parallel dimensions: they do unite at the knot, but are separate otherwise.
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The Abacus wrote:
WiQ wrote:Its just their 7 main layer counterparts.
Mateusz said that there is (was?) only one Murtaugh, Elizabeth and most likely every other human being (and living thing?). The seven layers are not strictly parallel dimensions: they do unite at the knot, but are separate otherwise.
Yes there is only One Elizabeth and Murtuagh.
And again, you misunderstood what I mean by "Counterparts".

There is only one Murtuagh and Elizabeth, but the Power Murtaugh obtained.
There are actually 7 or 8 Murtuaghs.

Cause how Murtuagh was given his powers was Shiva made duplicates of him. One in each layer.
The same applies to any of us having a counterpart version of ourselves in a parallel universe.
The Miracle wrote: When Murtaugh put his arm into the waterfall, he noticed that he no longer had an arm, but seven of them. That was not something unexpectable.

What is a miracle, though, is that after he removed his arm from the waterfall - he still could see all seven layers of his left arm.
Not longer after that he understood, that focusing them all in one place created a portal. That was because all of his arms from all of the layers met at one place and caused he interdimensional karma flow at his fingertips.
I highlighted my point. Also, the last word Fingertips, I notice a point of logic in that word. Particularly the "s". Which meant more than one. How could Murtaugh "Feel" the karma flow at his invisible fingertips? My point is that his counterpart in layer 1-7, not counting layer 3, merge with him after he took his left Arm out of the Waterfall.

Cause the way I see it, the Murtaugh from Layer 3 was born without a left arm. He had more of a stub without a hand instead. But his Counterparts in layer 1-7 were born with a left arm with a hand and at some point in their lives they put their left hand in the same waterfall as the Murtaugh from Layer 3.
Impossible wrote: - But that's impossible! He can't be in different dimensions at the same time!

- Impossible? What does that even mean?...
Again, two different people in the same location.
Vanishing act wrote:
- Where are you?
- I'm standing right beside you. Can't you see me?
- No.
- Let's compare our geotags once more.
- Something's off. We are at the same location. But...
- Where are you?
The only thing that separates Murtaugh, Elizabeth, and Sir Henry O'Toole from the rest of the average Joes who live in the Submachine is that they don't have a counterpart in another layer.
Only Murtaugh, Elizabeth, and Sir Henry O'Toole had counterparts in all of the other 7 main layers of reality.
A comparison would be where the infinite number of parallel universes to Earth, in which some of them, our counterparts in another layer either was not born, or simple died at some point in the future or past.


But...when we play Submachine 10, the Exit. I think, or at least I assume we will be taking several steps backwards before we take our final step forward. Like my Submachine End Story, the only reason I think this is cause of how we went back to the Mover in Submachine 9.

Also because of this fact about layer 8:
Layers wrote:
- There are seven main layers of reality.

- Yes, that's common knowledge.

- But there is another layer. The one often misinterpreted as the layer of time.

- If it's not time, what is it then?

- That's the layer of Light. You see, when you move through the field of atoms frozen in time, the friction causes them to emit visible light. It's everywhere you move. It's not a guiding light. You're the one who's guiding that light. Where you will go is entirely up to you.
History wrote:
- How is it possible, that people are still coming through the loop and trying to turn off the defense systems? After all these years...

- What would you have me do. Destroy his creation? Destroy the whole section?

- I don't know... Maybe...

- You're talking about destroying our history. What next, book burning?
- No, of course not. But maybe... A sign? That it's no longer necessary to shut down the defenses?

- And what about those in the eighth layer?

- I stand corrected...
But we will still have the navigator with us. But...and this is just an assumption, part of our trip start with us finding a journal with some of the pages from the past Submachine games. I don't know which ones, but that journal will also have a pencil in it, to which we can't use.

But the pencil will write some changes or corrections on some of the notes. The correction will be made by either Murtuagh, Elizabeth, or Sir Henry O'Toole. Like the note pad system from submachine 5. To which everything will be made clear.

But the Exit, I find to be some sort of an exit, there has to be a portal, or a doorway at the end of the game. I have one in mind, and I will post it later. But I can't right now.
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Basically, we still can meet Mur and Liz according to your theory?

I already like it. Makes sense too.
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